[DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally

Charles McCall charlesmccall at gmail.com
Thu Oct 13 03:43:53 EDT 2016


Interesting to have a real data point. I wonder how many cars could fit in
a container? 6? That's $800/car to New Zealand, which is really far. The
next mega-meeting in New Zealand?



On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:

> Just this year. Container. Shumacher Logistics and also Kiwi Shipping same
> price. I shipped a whole 40' high cube for $4900. But a car alone is $1700.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:49, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ed - what year was that?
>
> RORO or container?
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> It cost $1700 to ship from LA to New Zealand.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>> > On Oct 12, 2016, at 02:13, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >   Bill (and others)
>> >
>> >   The idea may not be as far-fetched as you may think. Granted, shipping
>> >   a car across the ocean isn't exactly cheap, but it may not be as
>> >   expensive as you may think. I moved to France in the 90's and didn't
>> >   even considering bringing my Pantera with me at the time because I
>> >   thought it would be prohibitively expensive. On a whim I investigated,
>> >   and cutting to the chase, $750 later my car was sitting on a dock in
>> Le
>> >   Havre, France. This was the complete, door-to-door cost from NY to Le
>> >   Havre.
>> >
>> >
>> >   Later, in 2004 or so, I sent the car from Le Havre to Long Beach, CA
>> >   for just about $1000 even.
>> >
>> >
>> >   Granted this was a few years ago, but I don't think anyone has
>> >   seriously investigated costs since then.. Maybe the cost would be even
>> >   less if several  cars were put in a single container? Dunno, but
>> >   someone should at least take the time to ask the question. You cannot
>> >   believe how fantastic the experience is to cruise around Europe in
>> your
>> >   own Pantera... I'd be happy to help from this end
>> >
>> >
>> >   From: Bill Lewis [mailto:lotus0005 at hotmail.com]
>> >   Sent: miercoles, 12 de octubre de 2016 2:54
>> >   To: Charles McCall
>> >   Cc: detomaso detomaso
>> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
>> >
>> >
>> >   Charles, I have suggested in the past to have a "Super Rally" every so
>> >   often.  Set a date several years in advance so everyone could save
>> >   their money, and the  host chapter would have time to get organized.
>> >   My suggestion was actually aimed at the East Coast (but we know how
>> >   that turned into a fiasco), so it could be somewhere in Europe for the
>> >   first time around.  All that I hear about the Pantera folks going to
>> Le
>> >   Mans is fantastic tales.   ---BILL Lewis
>> >
>> >    ____________________________________________________________
>> _________
>> >
>> >   From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>> behalf
>> >   of Charles McCall <[2]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> >   Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:58 PM
>> >   To: marshall smith
>> >   Cc: detomaso detomaso
>> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
>> >
>> >
>> >   Put your cars in a container and send them to Europe! What a road
>> trip!
>> >   (am I helping?)
>> >   On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:57 PM, marshall smith <
>> >   [3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> I LOVED Reno!! That town rolled out the welcome mat to all of us!
>> >   Let's go
>> >> again!!!
>> >>
>> >> Marshall Smith
>> >> --------------------------------------------
>> >> On Tue, 10/11/16, [4]bill at incendium.com <[5]bill at incendium.com>
>> >   wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
>> >> To: "Larry Stock" <[6]larrys at panteraparts.com>, "Effie Richards" <
>> >> [7]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
>> >   <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> >> Cc: "'detomaso detomaso'" <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 12:55 PM
>> >>
>> >>    RENO , RENO, RENO
>> >>
>> >>    Cheers
>> >>
>> >>    Bill Moore
>> >>
>> >>    Calgary
>> >>
>> >>    -------- Original message --------
>> >>    From: Larry Stock <[10]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>> >>    Date: 2016-10-11 1:09 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> >>    To: Effie Richards <[11]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>,
>> >> 'Julian Kift'
>> >>    <[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
>> >> [13]bill at incendium.com
>> >>    Cc: 'detomaso detomaso' <[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017
>> >> POCA Fun Rally
>> >>
>> >>    Yeah Yeah Yeah, You just can^1t get
>> >> anywhere without a traffic snarl
>> >>    and
>> >>    waiting in a line.
>> >>    On 10/11/16, 11:49 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf
>> >> of Effie Richards"
>> >>    <[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> >> on behalf of
>> >>    [16]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Of course any season or month is good
>> >> in San Diego!...   Got you!
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Julian Kift [[17]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:06
>> >> AM
>> >>> To: [18]bill at incendium.com
>> >>> Cc: Effie Richards; detomaso detomaso
>> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re:
>> >> 2017 POCA Fun Rally
>> >>>
>> >>> A lot depends on location selected,
>> >> Las Vegas is a bear in May or
>> >>    June,
>> >>> other venues e.g. Reno have a good
>> >> chance of snow prior to June. Then
>> >>> there
>> >>> is the whole accessibility for driving
>> >> with weather.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would recommend dates be left open
>> >> for the proposing chapter to
>> >>    select,
>> >>> that way they can also avoid (or take
>> >> advantage of) any conflicts to
>> >>    other
>> >>> local events.
>> >>>
>> >>> Julian
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:57 AM, "[19]bill at incendium.com"
>> >>    <[20]bill at incendium.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  How about mid
>> >> May or even June.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Cheers
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Bill Moore
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Calgary
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  --------
>> >> Original message --------
>> >>>>  From: Effie
>> >> Richards <[21]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
>> >>>>  Date: 2016-10-11
>> >> 11:10 AM (GMT-07:00)
>> >>>>  To: detomaso
>> >> detomaso <[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >>>>  Subject:
>> >> [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  -----Original
>> >> Message-----
>> >>>>  From: [23]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
>> >>    [[24]mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com]
>> >>>>  On Behalf Of
>> >> Effie Richards
>> >>>>  Sent: Tuesday,
>> >> October 11, 2016 10:05 AM
>> >>>>  To: 'Ed Mendez';
>> >> 'marshall smith'
>> >>>>  Cc: 'De Tomaso
>> >> List'; 'Jack DeRyke'; 'Detomaso at poca';
>> >> 'Leslie
>> >>    Gray';
>> >>>>  'Mike Haney';
>> >> 'Judy McCartney'; 'Bob Reid'; 'Bob Reid'; 'Scott
>> >>>>  Couchman';
>> >> 'Josette D'Orazio'; 'Reno-Tahoe Panteras'; 'San Diego
>> >>>>  Panteras'
>> >>>>  Subject: RE:
>> >> [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
>> >>>>  Here I come
>> >> again!....
>> >>>>  Ed, I hope you
>> >> are not expecting Marshall to put a bid in...  not
>> >>>> after
>> >>>>  our experience
>> >> of 2014!
>> >>>>  By the way, no
>> >> one from POCA had the curtesy of responding to my
>> >>>>  question "why
>> >> POCA did not support SDP club hosting the 2014 rally
>> >>    and
>> >>>>  instead,
>> >> sabotaged our efforts and totally ignored our pleas for
>> >>>>  support"?
>> >>   Someone or someones were behind this "coup" and no
>> >>    one
>> >>>>  will ever have
>> >> the nerve or class to even apologize without
>> >>    admitting
>> >>>>  guilt, just like
>> >> our politicians!
>> >>>>  I really don't
>> >> expect to get an answer from the POCA board, but I
>> >>    do
>> >>>>  want everyone on
>> >> the list to know, although our club worked twice
>> >>    x
>> >>>>  twice as hard to
>> >> successfully host such an awesome event, we had
>> >>    to
>> >>>>  double and
>> >> triple our work in order to compensate for the luck of
>> >>>>  support from
>> >> POCA.
>> >>>>  Our love and
>> >> passion for the car may take over our brain and lead
>> >>    us
>> >>>>  back to another
>> >> rally, but believe me, we know who our friends are
>> >>>>  these days.
>> >>>>  -----Original
>> >> Message-----
>> >>>>  From: [25]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
>> >>    [[26]mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com]
>> >>>>  On Behalf Of Ed
>> >> Mendez
>> >>>>  Sent: Tuesday,
>> >> October 11, 2016 9:46 AM
>> >>>>  To: marshall
>> >> smith
>> >>>>  Cc: De Tomaso
>> >> List; Jack DeRyke; Detomaso at poca; Leslie
>> >> Gray; Mike
>> >>>>  Haney; Judy
>> >> McCartney; Bob Reid; Bob Reid; Scott Couchman; Josette
>> >>>>  D'Orazio;
>> >> Reno-Tahoe Panteras; San Diego Panteras
>> >>>>  Subject: [SDP]
>> >> Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
>> >>>>  We are shooting
>> >> for April 26-30th, 2017
>> >>>>  All chapters
>> >> should put in their bids to host as a location has
>> >>    not
>> >>>>  been agreed upon
>> >> yet.
>> >>>>  I am even
>> >> working on alternatives.
>> >>>>  Ed
>> >>>>  Sent from my
>> >> iPhone 6 Plus
>> >>>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 09:37,
>> >> marshall smith
>> >>>>  <[27]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To POCA Board of Directors,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is there any information on
>> >> the dates and location of the POCA Fun
>> >>>>  Rally in 2017?
>> >>>>> I heard a rumor that we would
>> >> be heading back to Las Vegas and the
>> >>>>  Plaza Hotel. Is
>> >> that correct?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Marshall Smith
>> >>>>> San Diego Panteras
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   Interesting to have a real data point. I wonder how many cars could fit
   in a container? 6? That's $800/car to New Zealand, which is really far.
   The next mega-meeting in New Zealand?A

   On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com>
   wrote:

   Just this year. Container. Shumacher Logistics and also Kiwi Shipping
   same price. I shipped a whole 40' high cube for $4900. But a car alone
   is $1700.
   Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:49, Charles McCall <[2]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Ed - what year was that?A
   RORO or container?A
   On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com> wrote:

     It cost $1700 to ship from LA to New Zealand.
     Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
     > On Oct 12, 2016, at 02:13, Charles McCall
     <[4]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     >A  A Bill (and others)
     >
     >A  A The idea may not be as far-fetched as you may think. Granted,
     shipping
     >A  A a car across the ocean isn't exactly cheap, but it may not be
     as
     >A  A expensive as you may think. I moved to France in the 90's and
     didn't
     >A  A even considering bringing my Pantera with me at the time
     because I
     >A  A thought it would be prohibitively expensive. On a whim I
     investigated,
     >A  A and cutting to the chase, $750 later my car was sitting on a
     dock in Le
     >A  A Havre, France. This was the complete, door-to-door cost from
     NY to Le
     >A  A Havre.
     >
     >
     >A  A Later, in 2004 or so, I sent the car from Le Havre to Long
     Beach, CA
     >A  A for just about $1000 even.
     >
     >
     >A  A Granted this was a few years ago, but I don't think anyone has
     >A  A seriously investigated costs since then.. Maybe the cost would
     be even
     >A  A less if severalA  cars were put in a single container? Dunno,
     but
     >A  A someone should at least take the time to ask the question. You
     cannot
     >A  A believe how fantastic the experience is to cruise around
     Europe in your
     >A  A own Pantera... I'd be happy to help from this end
     >
     >
     >A  A From: Bill Lewis [mailto:[5]lotus0005 at hotmail.com]
     >A  A Sent: miercoles, 12 de octubre de 2016 2:54
     >A  A To: Charles McCall
     >A  A Cc: detomaso detomaso
     >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
     >
     >
     >A  A Charles, I have suggested in the past to have a "Super Rally"
     every so
     >A  A often.A  Set a date several years in advance so everyone could
     save
     >A  A their money, and theA  host chapter would have time to get
     organized.
     >A  A My suggestion was actually aimed at the East Coast (but we
     know how
     >A  A that turned into a fiasco), so it could be somewhere in Europe
     for the
     >A  A first time around.A  All that I hear about the Pantera folks
     going to Le
     >A  A Mans is fantastic tales.A  A ---BILL Lewis
     >
     >A  A  ____________________________________________________________
     _________
     >
     >A  A From: DeTomaso <[1][6]detomaso-bounces at server.de
     tomasolist.com> on behalf
     >A  A of Charles McCall <[2][7]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
     >A  A Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:58 PM
     >A  A To: marshall smith
     >A  A Cc: detomaso detomaso
     >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
     >
     >
     >A  A Put your cars in a container and send them to Europe! What a
     road trip!
     >A  A (am I helping?)
     >A  A On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:57 PM, marshall smith <
     >A  A [3][8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     >> I LOVED Reno!! That town rolled out the welcome mat to all of us!
     >A  A Let's go
     >> again!!!
     >>
     >> Marshall Smith
     >> --------------------------------------------
     >> On Tue, 10/11/16, [4][9]bill at incendium.com
     <[5][10]bill at incendium.com>
     >A  A wrote:
     >>
     >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
     >> To: "Larry Stock" <[6][11]larrys at panteraparts.com>, "Effie
     Richards" <
     >> [7][12]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
     >A  A <[8][13]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     >> Cc: "'detomaso detomaso'" <[9][14]detomaso at server.detomasoli
     st.com>
     >> Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 12:55 PM
     >>
     >>A  A  RENO , RENO, RENO
     >>
     >>A  A  Cheers
     >>
     >>A  A  Bill Moore
     >>
     >>A  A  Calgary
     >>
     >>A  A  -------- Original message --------
     >>A  A  From: Larry Stock <[10][15]larrys at panteraparts.com>
     >>A  A  Date: 2016-10-11 1:09 PM (GMT-07:00)
     >>A  A  To: Effie Richards <[11][16]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>,
     >> 'Julian Kift'
     >>A  A  <[12][17]julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
     >> [13][18]bill at incendium.com
     >>A  A  Cc: 'detomaso detomaso' <[14][19]detomaso at server.detomasol
     ist.com>
     >>A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017
     >> POCA Fun Rally
     >>
     >>A  A  Yeah Yeah Yeah, You just can^1t get
     >> anywhere without a traffic snarl
     >>A  A  and
     >>A  A  waiting in a line.
     >>A  A  On 10/11/16, 11:49 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf
     >> of Effie Richards"
     >>A  A  <[15][20]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     >> on behalf of
     >>A  A  [16][21]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
     >> wrote:
     >>> Of course any season or month is good
     >> in San Diego!...A  A Got you!
     >>>
     >>> -----Original Message-----
     >>> From: Julian Kift [[17]mailto:[22]julian_kift at hotmail.com]
     >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:06
     >> AM
     >>> To: [18][23]bill at incendium.com
     >>> Cc: Effie Richards; detomaso detomaso
     >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re:
     >> 2017 POCA Fun Rally
     >>>
     >>> A lot depends on location selected,
     >> Las Vegas is a bear in May or
     >>A  A  June,
     >>> other venues e.g. Reno have a good
     >> chance of snow prior to June. Then
     >>> there
     >>> is the whole accessibility for driving
     >> with weather.
     >>>
     >>> I would recommend dates be left open
     >> for the proposing chapter to
     >>A  A  select,
     >>> that way they can also avoid (or take
     >> advantage of) any conflicts to
     >>A  A  other
     >>> local events.
     >>>
     >>> Julian
     >>>
     >>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:57 AM, "[19][24]bill at incendium.com"
     >>A  A  <[20][25]bill at incendium.com>
     >>> wrote:
     >>>>
     >>>>A  How about mid
     >> May or even June.
     >>>>
     >>>>A  Cheers
     >>>>
     >>>>A  Bill Moore
     >>>>
     >>>>A  Calgary
     >>>>
     >>>>A  --------
     >> Original message --------
     >>>>A  From: Effie
     >> Richards <[21][26]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
     >>>>A  Date: 2016-10-11
     >> 11:10 AM (GMT-07:00)
     >>>>A  To: detomaso
     >> detomaso <[22][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     >>>>A  Subject:
     >> [DeTomaso] FW: [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
     >>>>
     >>>>A  -----Original
     >> Message-----
     >>>>A  From: [23][28]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
     >>A  A  [[24]mailto:[29]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com]

   >>>>A  On Behalf Of
   >> Effie Richards
   >>>>A  Sent: Tuesday,
   >> October 11, 2016 10:05 AM
   >>>>A  To: 'Ed Mendez';
   >> 'marshall smith'
   >>>>A  Cc: 'De Tomaso
   >> List'; 'Jack DeRyke'; 'Detomaso at poca';
   >> 'Leslie
   >>A  A  Gray';
   >>>>A  'Mike Haney';
   >> 'Judy McCartney'; 'Bob Reid'; 'Bob Reid'; 'Scott
   >>>>A  Couchman';
   >> 'Josette D'Orazio'; 'Reno-Tahoe Panteras'; 'San Diego
   >>>>A  Panteras'
   >>>>A  Subject: RE:
   >> [SDP] Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
   >>>>A  Here I come
   >> again!....
   >>>>A  Ed, I hope you
   >> are not expecting Marshall to put a bid in...A  not
   >>>> after
   >>>>A  our experience
   >> of 2014!
   >>>>A  By the way, no
   >> one from POCA had the curtesy of responding to my
   >>>>A  question "why
   >> POCA did not support SDP club hosting the 2014 rally
   >>A  A  and
   >>>>A  instead,
   >> sabotaged our efforts and totally ignored our pleas for
   >>>>A  support"?
   >>A  A Someone or someones were behind this "coup" and no
   >>A  A  one
   >>>>A  will ever have
   >> the nerve or class to even apologize without
   >>A  A  admitting
   >>>>A  guilt, just like
   >> our politicians!
   >>>>A  I really don't
   >> expect to get an answer from the POCA board, but I
   >>A  A  do
   >>>>A  want everyone on
   >> the list to know, although our club worked twice
   >>A  A  x
   >>>>A  twice as hard to
   >> successfully host such an awesome event, we had
   >>A  A  to
   >>>>A  double and
   >> triple our work in order to compensate for the luck of
   >>>>A  support from
   >> POCA.
   >>>>A  Our love and
   >> passion for the car may take over our brain and lead
   >>A  A  us
   >>>>A  back to another
   >> rally, but believe me, we know who our friends are
   >>>>A  these days.
   >>>>A  -----Original
   >> Message-----

     >>>>A  From: [25][30]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
     >>A  A  [[26]mailto:[31]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com]

   >>>>A  On Behalf Of Ed
   >> Mendez
   >>>>A  Sent: Tuesday,
   >> October 11, 2016 9:46 AM
   >>>>A  To: marshall
   >> smith
   >>>>A  Cc: De Tomaso
   >> List; Jack DeRyke; Detomaso at poca; Leslie
   >> Gray; Mike
   >>>>A  Haney; Judy
   >> McCartney; Bob Reid; Bob Reid; Scott Couchman; Josette
   >>>>A  D'Orazio;
   >> Reno-Tahoe Panteras; San Diego Panteras
   >>>>A  Subject: [SDP]
   >> Re: 2017 POCA Fun Rally
   >>>>A  We are shooting
   >> for April 26-30th, 2017
   >>>>A  All chapters
   >> should put in their bids to host as a location has
   >>A  A  not
   >>>>A  been agreed upon
   >> yet.
   >>>>A  I am even
   >> working on alternatives.
   >>>>A  Ed
   >>>>A  Sent from my
   >> iPhone 6 Plus
   >>>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 09:37,
   >> marshall smith

     >>>>A  <[27][32]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
     >> wrote:
     >>>>>
     >>>>> To POCA Board of Directors,
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Is there any information on
     >> the dates and location of the POCA Fun
     >>>>A  Rally in 2017?
     >>>>> I heard a rumor that we would
     >> be heading back to Las Vegas and the
     >>>>A  Plaza Hotel. Is
     >> that correct?
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Marshall Smith
     >>>>> San Diego Panteras
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