[DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Wed Oct 12 16:34:46 EDT 2016
Garth,
Did you hook it up correctly? The wiring is NOT the same between the old and new. If you just swap wires from one switch to the other in the same locations it won't work.
Mike
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On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:59, Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have stock window switches, but I installed a new Bosch window switch with no change - driver's window still doesn't work.
>
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
> Cc: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Phone Richard Bosch <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John Buckman <jb841 at cox.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
>
> Garth,
>
> Do you still have the stock switches? Few stock switches are still working anymore--they have a finite lifespan. The stock replacements from Wilkinson are notorious for poor quality (I've held one that was broken in the package!). For years people have used Bosch replacements which look almost identical to stock. In fact so many cars have them that many people don't even realize they aren't stock!
>
> So, what kind do you have?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:32, Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Garth,
> > Do you see any movement of the ammeter when you operate the switch?
> > Window motors do not have any relays in the circuit but they have a
> > built in circuit breaker in the motor.
> > Start with a jumper directly from the battery to the motor and see what
> > happens. Power to one lead, ground to the other. Revers for operation
> > the other direction.
> > Forest
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Cc: Phone Richard Bosch <theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John Buckman
> > <jb841 at cox.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:01 AM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
> > Another electrical issue that developed on the way home from the
> > Niello
> > Concours last week...
> > My driver's side window motor no longer operates. I've never before
> > had a problem with the window motors. Driving home Sunday evening I
> > had
> > the window down a couple inches for some airflow in the cabin (since
> > the heater/AC blower fan was not working). I closed the window for a
> > few minutes then when I tried to re-open it the motor made a
> > momentary
> > noise like it was starting to lower the window, then stopped. After
> > that, nothing! No noise or movement either up or down.
> > I tried replacing the switch with a new Bosche switch, and no change.
> > I removed the door panel and verified it's not the dreaded window
> > gear
> > issue - the motor is not turning at all.
> > I've lowered the window manually with the emergency crank and still
> > no
> > movement, regardless of the window's position.
> > I checked voltage on the different posts with my multimeter and found
> > that one of the contacts was only getting about 3-4 volts when the
> > switch was put in the down position, and the other contact got 11-12
> > volts when the switch was put in the up position, but no movement in
> > either direction regardless.
> > The passenger side window works fine and the motor has the same 11-12
> > volts at either post depending on the switch position - up/down.
> > All fuses are good.
> > Any thoughts on where to look for the problem? Or suggestions on how
> > to further diagnose?
> > I cannot see any break in the wiring or a poor connection somewhere.
> > Again, could this be a relay issue? The stock wiring harness appears
> > untouched in this area behind the switch console and under the dash.
> > I have not yet tried running a jumper wire directly to the motor from
> > the switch. I suppose that should be my next step.
> > Again, open to any ideas. Can't really drive the car anywhere if I
> > can't close the windows and lock it up.
> > Cheers!
> > Garth
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Garth,
Did you hook it up correctly? The wiring is NOT the same between the
old and new. If you just swap wires from one switch to the other in the
same locations it won't work.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:59, Garth Rodericks
<[1]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
I have stock window switches, but I installed a new Bosch window switch
with no change - driver's window still doesn't work.
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg at att.net>
Cc: Garth Rodericks <[4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Phone Richard Bosch
<[6]theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John Buckman <[7]jb841 at cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
Garth,
Do you still have the stock switches? Few stock switches are still
working anymore--they have a finite lifespan. The stock replacements
from Wilkinson are notorious for poor quality (I've held one that was
broken in the package!). For years people have used Bosch replacements
which look almost identical to stock. In fact so many cars have them
that many people don't even realize they aren't stock!
So, what kind do you have?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:32, Forest Goodhart <[8]forestg at att.net> wrote:
> Garth,
> Do you see any movement of the ammeter when you operate the switch?
> Window motors do not have any relays in the circuit but they have a
> built in circuit breaker in the motor.
> Start with a jumper directly from the battery to the motor and see
what
> happens. Power to one lead, ground to the other. Revers for
operation
> the other direction.
> Forest
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Cc: Phone Richard Bosch <[11]theemonkey at yahoo.com>; John Buckman
> <[12]jb841 at cox.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:01 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Driver's side window motor
> Another electrical issue that developed on the way home from the
> Niello
> Concours last week...
> My driver's side window motor no longer operates. I've never
before
> had a problem with the window motors. Driving home Sunday evening
I
> had
> the window down a couple inches for some airflow in the cabin
(since
> the heater/AC blower fan was not working). I closed the window
for a
> few minutes then when I tried to re-open it the motor made a
> momentary
> noise like it was starting to lower the window, then stopped.
After
> that, nothing! No noise or movement either up or down.
> I tried replacing the switch with a new Bosche switch, and no
change.
> I removed the door panel and verified it's not the dreaded window
> gear
> issue - the motor is not turning at all.
> I've lowered the window manually with the emergency crank and
still
> no
> movement, regardless of the window's position.
> I checked voltage on the different posts with my multimeter and
found
> that one of the contacts was only getting about 3-4 volts when the
> switch was put in the down position, and the other contact got
11-12
> volts when the switch was put in the up position, but no movement
in
> either direction regardless.
> The passenger side window works fine and the motor has the same
11-12
> volts at either post depending on the switch position - up/down.
> All fuses are good.
> Any thoughts on where to look for the problem? Or suggestions on
how
> to further diagnose?
> I cannot see any break in the wiring or a poor connection
somewhere.
> Again, could this be a relay issue? The stock wiring harness
appears
> untouched in this area behind the switch console and under the
dash.
> I have not yet tried running a jumper wire directly to the motor
from
> the switch. I suppose that should be my next step.
> Again, open to any ideas. Can't really drive the car anywhere if I
> can't close the windows and lock it up.
> Cheers!
> Garth
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