[DeTomaso] carbon fiber doors
Charles McCall
charlesmccall at gmail.com
Mon Nov 28 15:21:50 EST 2016
How much does a steel decklid weigh? Going by memory, but I thought 70
pounds or so? It's pretty darn heavy, as can be verified if you disconnect
the decklid shocks. A reduction from 70 to 20 pounds going from steel to
fiberglass is pretty significant.
I forget what a real CF decklid weighs, but not much. But you are well into
diminishing returns I think, going from fiberglass to CF
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> I didn't think fiberglass saved much weight?
> The 20 pound deck Lilo Ben Zicron made for me is not perfect, but I
> think good enough for a non-show car. I don't think there are any
> shrinkage issues, but the curvature of the edges is a little off at the
> centers. It is made of a material Lilo developed, not CF.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
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> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: Roland <willibillie at live.de>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] carbon fiber doors
> Roland,
> Amen!!!
> True carbon fiber, as used by race car teams and OEMs is a very, very
> expensive process. Many of the 'carbon fiber' Pantera parts I've seen
> were simply fiberglass with a layer of carbon fiber cloth on top to
> give it that CF look.
> The tooling and production costs to make true CF Pantera parts properly
> (using an autoclave) would result in $25,000 decklids. It ain't gonna
> happen.
> If you want light weight parts, fiberglass is an option....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 11:11, Roland <[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> > I had send after the first decklid from JPC didn't fit, my decklid to
> > them to take a mould from. I bought two decklids made from my decklid
> > mould. None of them fittet right. Also the hinges where badly
> secured.
> > Many of you whatched when the blue Dr.Joergens Pantera at LeMans lost
> > its decklid. It was one of them...
> >
> > Carbon fiber is shrinking while drying. If you don't have an
> Autoclave
> > for it, it will be junk for sure. I talked to Mr.Pagani years ago
> about
> > his carbon parts. He told me, it has cost him a fortune to find the
> > right way to make the parts right to fit.
> >
> > If you want to save weight in your Pantera start at the Gym, that
> will
> > be the most effektive and cheapest way..
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > Am 28.11.2016 um 08:09 schrieb gudmund frA,land via DeTomaso:
> >> I can also confirm these cars are Absolut not identical al? I had an
> accident and insurance company just ordered a new door from USA. Came
> to Norway air fright. When it came to the body shop they sanded and
> primed it prior to install. When installed they was wandering what kind
> of door this was? It was way of and they had to repair the damaged
> door. The new one is just sitting in my garage. It was so expensive I
> thought it was too much just throw away. No Wonder Carbon fiber doors
> dosent fit :)
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> Den man 2016-11-28 skrev mark skwarek via DeTomaso
> <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> >>
> >> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] carbon fiber doors
> >> Til: "Asa Jay Laughton" <[3]asajay at asajay.com>,
> "[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Dato: Mandag 28. november 2016 02.10
> >>
> >> Personally
> >> I would prefer to get my doors unassembled. (Skin &
> >> frame)
> >> This would make it much
> >> easier to get a proper fit.
> >> Mark
> >> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:24
> >> PM, Asa Jay Laughton
> >> <[6]asajay at asajay.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> Don't forget
> >> that the Pantera is a hand-built car. Doors are no
> >> exception to the rule that
> >> every part was hand-fit to the car. Most
> >> likely, the mold made from any
> >> particular door, will still need
> >>
> >> massaging to the actual car it will be mounted
> >> on. Just be aware of
> >>
> >> that.
> >> The
> >> carbon fiber hoods sold by some Pantera vendors are close,
> >> but
> >> will
> >>
> >> need to be hand-fit. They typically let you
> >> know that ahead of time.
> >>
> >> Asa Jay
> >> Asa
> >> Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> & Shelley Marie
> >> Spokane, WA
> >> ******************************
> >> [1][1][7]http://w7tsc.org
> >> [2][2][8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> On 11/27/2016 3:08 PM,
> >> [3][3][9]goodwinpantera at comcast.net
> >> wrote:
> >> Found a company in
> >> Tacoma, Washington that makes carbon fiber hoods,
> >> decklids, and doors but he
> >> would need to keep your door to make a
> >>
> >> mold.We would be willing to take on molds for
> >> such a car, but keep in
> >>
> >> mind there are a few factors working against
> >> you here. First, our
> >> doors
> >> do not have any side impact
> >> protection. Therefore, they are not
> >>
> >> suitable for street use without a roll cage.
> >> Second, we would need
> >> parts
> >> in pristine condition to make molds from. They would not
> >> be
> >> returned to you once the
> >> molds have been made. We own the molds, and
> >> we
> >>
> >> keep the parts we make the molds from so we
> >> can back check the molds
> >> if
> >> there is ever a question of
> >> the mold warping or twisting. Third, to
> >> do
> >>
> >> any parts, we would require a deposit
> >> equivalent to the full purchase
> >>
> >> price of five parts, in advance, before any
> >> work is begun.
> >> The good
> >> news, is that we do not require any charge for the
> >> creation
> >> of
> >>
> >> the molds when five parts are purchased in
> >> advance. The lead time is
> >>
> >> 3-4 months for a set of doors and 2-3 months
> >> for a deck lid or hood.
> >>
> >> Greg Shampine
> >>
> >> Ultra-Carbon
> >>
> >> 253-906-8126
> >>
> >> I wonder if POCA members want to form a list
> >> then they should contact
> >>
> >> this fellow. My doors are full of rust and
> >> would need new door skins
> >>
> >> welded on.
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How much does a steel decklid weigh? Going by memory, but I thought 70
pounds or so? It's pretty darn heavy, as can be verified if you
disconnect the decklid shocks. A reduction from 70 to 20 pounds going
from steel to fiberglass is pretty significant.A
I forget what a real CF decklid weighs, but not much. But you are well
into diminishing returns I think, going from fiberglass to CF
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A I didn't think fiberglass saved much weight?
A A The 20 pound deck Lilo Ben Zicron made for me is not perfect,
but I
A A think good enough for a non-show car.A I don't think there are
any
A A shrinkage issues, but the curvature of the edges is a little
off at the
A A centers.A It is made of a material Lilo developed, not CF.
A A Ken
A A A ____________________________________________________________
______
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.
com>
A A To: Roland <[3]willibillie at live.de>
A A Cc: "[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
A A <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 11:29 AM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] carbon fiber doors
A A Roland,
A A Amen!!!
A A True carbon fiber, as used by race car teams and OEMs is a
very, very
A A expensive process. Many of the 'carbon fiber' Pantera parts
I've seen
A A were simply fiberglass with a layer of carbon fiber cloth on
top to
A A give it that CF look.
A A The tooling and production costs to make true CF Pantera parts
properly
A A (using an autoclave) would result in $25,000 decklids. It ain't
gonna
A A happen.
A A If you want light weight parts, fiberglass is an option....
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 28, 2016, at 11:11, Roland <[1][6]willibillie at live.de>
wrote:
A A > I had send after the first decklid from JPC didn't fit, my
decklid to
A A > them to take a mould from. I bought two decklids made from my
decklid
A A > mould. None of them fittet right. Also the hinges where badly
A A secured.
A A > Many of you whatched when the blue Dr.Joergens Pantera at
LeMans lost
A A > its decklid. It was one of them...
A A >
A A > Carbon fiber is shrinking while drying. If you don't have an
A A Autoclave
A A > for it, it will be junk for sure. I talked to Mr.Pagani years
ago
A A about
A A > his carbon parts. He told me, it has cost him a fortune to
find the
A A > right way to make the parts right to fit.
A A >
A A > If you want to save weight in your Pantera start at the Gym,
that
A A will
A A > be the most effektive and cheapest way..
A A >
A A > Roland
A A >
A A >
A A > Am 28.11.2016 um 08:09 schrieb gudmund frA,land via DeTomaso:
A A >> I can also confirm these cars are Absolut not identical al?
I had an
A A accident and insurance company just ordered a new door from
USA. Came
A A to Norway air fright. When it came to the body shop they sanded
and
A A primed it prior to install. When installed they was wandering
what kind
A A of door this was? It was way of and they had to repair the
damaged
A A door. The new one is just sitting in my garage. It was so
expensive I
A A thought it was too much just throw away. No Wonder Carbon fiber
doors
A A dosent fit :)
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> --------------------------------------------
A A >> Den man 2016-11-28 skrev mark skwarek via DeTomaso
A A <[2][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
A A >>
A A >>A Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] carbon fiber doors
A A >>A Til: "Asa Jay Laughton" <[3][8]asajay at asajay.com>,
A A "[4][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
A A <[5][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Dato: Mandag 28. november 2016 02.10
A A >>
A A >>A A Personally
A A >>A I wouldA prefer to get my doors unassembled. (Skin &
A A >>A frame)
A A >>A A This would make it much
A A >>A easier to get a proper fit.
A A >>A A Mark
A A >>A A On Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:24
A A >>A PM, Asa Jay Laughton
A A >>A A <[6][11]asajay at asajay.com>
A A >>A wrote:
A A >>A A A Don't forget
A A >>A that the Pantera is a hand-built car.A Doors are no
A A >>A A A exception to the rule that
A A >>A every part was hand-fit to the car.A Most
A A >>A A A likely, the mold made from any
A A >>A particular door, will still need
A A >>
A A >>A A massaging to the actual car it will be mounted
A A >>A on.A Just be aware of
A A >>
A A >>A A that.
A A >>A A A The
A A >>A carbon fiber hoods sold by some Pantera vendors are close,
A A >>A but
A A >>A A will
A A >>
A A >>A A need to be hand-fit.A They typically let you
A A >>A know that ahead of time.
A A >>
A A >>A A AsaA Jay
A A >>A A Asa
A A >>A Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A >>A A & Shelley Marie
A A >>A A Spokane, WA
A A >>A A ******************************
A A >>A A [1][1][7][12]http://w7tsc.org
A A >>A A [2][2][8][13]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A >>A A A On 11/27/2016 3:08 PM,
A A >>A [3][3][9][14]goodwinpantera at comcast.net
A A >>A wrote:
A A >>A A A Found a company in
A A >>A Tacoma, Washington that makes carbon fiber hoods,
A A >>A A A decklids, and doors but he
A A >>A would need to keep your door to make a
A A >>
A A >>A A mold.We would be willing to take on molds for
A A >>A such a car, but keep in
A A >>
A A >>A A mind there are a few factors working against
A A >>A you here. First, our
A A >>A A doors
A A >>A A A do not have any side impact
A A >>A protection. Therefore, they are not
A A >>
A A >>A A suitable for street use without a roll cage.
A A >>A Second, we would need
A A >>A A A parts
A A >>A in pristine condition to make molds from. They would not
A A >>A be
A A >>A A A returned to you once the
A A >>A molds have been made. We own the molds, and
A A >>A A we
A A >>
A A >>A A keep the parts we make the molds from so we
A A >>A can back check the molds
A A >>A A if
A A >>A A A there is ever a question of
A A >>A the mold warping or twisting. Third, to
A A >>A A do
A A >>
A A >>A A any parts, we would require a deposit
A A >>A equivalent to the full purchase
A A >>
A A >>A A price of five parts, in advance, before any
A A >>A work is begun.
A A >>A A A The good
A A >>A news, is that we do not require any charge for the
A A >>A creation
A A >>A A of
A A >>
A A >>A A the molds when five parts are purchased in
A A >>A advance. The lead time is
A A >>
A A >>A A 3-4 months for a set of doors and 2-3 months
A A >>A for a deck lid or hood.
A A >>
A A >>A A Greg Shampine
A A >>
A A >>A A Ultra-Carbon
A A >>
A A >>A A [15]253-906-8126
A A >>
A A >>A A I wonder if POCA members want to form a list
A A >>A then they should contact
A A >>
A A >>A A this fellow. My doors are full of rust and
A A >>A would need new door skins
A A >>
A A >>A A welded on.
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18. http://www.avg.com/
19. http://w7tsc.org/
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27. http://w7tsc.org/
28. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
29. mailto:goodwinpantera at comcast.net
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50. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
51. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
52. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
53. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
54. http://w7tsc.org/
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56. mailto:goodwinpantera at comcast.net
57. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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59. http://w7tsc.org/
60. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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63. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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66. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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68. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
69. mailto:goodwinpantera at comcast.net
70. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
71. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
72. http://w7tsc.org/
73. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
74. mailto:goodwinpantera at comcast.net
75. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
76. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
77. http://www.avg.com/
78. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
79. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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