[DeTomaso] Data for K&N filters

marshallgsmith marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
Sat Nov 19 13:37:23 EST 2016


    
I always thought that the lack of comparative Dyno testing by K & N between their filter and paper filters was pretty suspect. All we've ever had from them is the claim of 5 more horsepower and a filter that lasts a lifetime. And that if you believe that a garden hose could rinse all the dirt out of a filter that millions of cubic feet of air passes through over years of operation.
Marshall


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From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> 
Date: 11/19/16  10:07 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: 'marshallgsmith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Detomaso Email List' <detomaso at detomasolist.com> 
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Data for K&N filters 

By unbiased, I mean that K&N has an interest in selling their filters. Is there a reputable engine builder that has done back to back dyno testing and published the results?Someone like Dan Jones, or someone else that isn’t on the payroll of a manufacturer? Some enthusiast that has done testing but isn’t sponsored by anyone? From: marshallgsmith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: sábado, 19 de noviembre de 2016 17:39
To: Charles McCall; Detomaso Email List
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Data for K&N filters In reference to unbiased data, are you referring to the K & N Corporation or your fellow Pantera owners opinions? M   Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> 
Date: 11/19/16 7:06 AM (GMT-08:00) 
To: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com> 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Data for K&N filters 

After cleaning my filter last week, I got to wondering. Several people on
the list have heard anecdotal evidence that the K&N's aren't such a good
idea. Comments received include:



"My friend's mechanic said to get rid of it."

"If it's properly oiled, it's too restrictive. If it isn't properly oiled,
it doesn't filter properly and lets junk through"



Is anyone aware of a dyno test to indicate if any power is actually gained
by using one? Or lost? 



On the K&N webpage they have a guy who drove a million miles in his truck
with a K&N, but are there scientific studies with controls to indicate the
comparative engine wear between filter types? 



Maybe it's a byproduct of Facebook during the election campaign, but I don't
believe anything I read without seeing unbiased data. Thanks!


   After cleaning my filter last week, I got to wondering. Several people
   on the list have heard anecdotal evidence that the K&N's aren't such a
   good idea. Comments received include:


   "My friend's mechanic said to get rid of it..."

   "If it's properly oiled, it's too restrictive. If it isn't properly
   oiled, it doesn't filter properly and lets junk through"


   Is anyone aware of a dyno test to indicate if any power is actually
   gained by using one? Or lost?


   On the K&N webpage they have a guy who drove a million miles in his
   truck with a K&N, but are there scientific studies with controls to
   indicate the comparative engine wear between filter types?


   Maybe it's a byproduct of Facebook during the election campaign, but I
   don't believe anything I read without seeing unbiased data... Thanks!

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   I always thought that the lack of comparative Dyno testing by K & N
   between their filter and paper filters was pretty suspect. All we've
   ever had from them is the claim of 5 more horsepower and a filter that
   lasts a lifetime. And that if you believe that a garden hose could
   rinse all the dirt out of a filter that millions of cubic feet of air
   passes through over years of operation.

   Marshall

   Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

   -------- Original message --------
   From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   Date: 11/19/16 10:07 AM (GMT-08:00)
   To: 'marshallgsmith' <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, 'Detomaso Email
   List' <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Data for K&N filters

   By unbiased, I mean that K&N has an interest in selling their filters.
   Is there a reputable engine builder that has done back to back dyno
   testing and published the results?

   Someone like Dan Jones, or someone else that isn't on the payroll of a
   manufacturer? Some enthusiast that has done testing but isn't sponsored
   by anyone?


   From: marshallgsmith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
   Sent: sabado, 19 de noviembre de 2016 17:39
   To: Charles McCall; Detomaso Email List
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Data for K&N filters


   In reference to unbiased data, are you referring to the K & N
   Corporation or your fellow Pantera owners opinions?


   M




   Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

   -------- Original message --------
   From: Charles McCall <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   Date: 11/19/16 7:06 AM (GMT-08:00)
   To: Detomaso Email List <[2]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Data for K&N filters
   After cleaning my filter last week, I got to wondering. Several people
   on
   the list have heard anecdotal evidence that the K&N's aren't such a
   good
   idea. Comments received include:
   "My friend's mechanic said to get rid of it."
   "If it's properly oiled, it's too restrictive. If it isn't properly
   oiled,
   it doesn't filter properly and lets junk through"
   Is anyone aware of a dyno test to indicate if any power is actually
   gained
   by using one? Or lost?
   On the K&N webpage they have a guy who drove a million miles in his
   truck
   with a K&N, but are there scientific studies with controls to indicate
   the
   comparative engine wear between filter types?
   Maybe it's a byproduct of Facebook during the election campaign, but I
   don't
   believe anything I read without seeing unbiased data. Thanks!
      After cleaning my filter last week, I got to wondering. Several
   people
      on the list have heard anecdotal evidence that the K&N's aren't such
   a
      good idea. Comments received include:
      "My friend's mechanic said to get rid of it..."
      "If it's properly oiled, it's too restrictive. If it isn't properly
      oiled, it doesn't filter properly and lets junk through"
      Is anyone aware of a dyno test to indicate if any power is actually
      gained by using one? Or lost?
      On the K&N webpage they have a guy who drove a million miles in his
      truck with a K&N, but are there scientific studies with controls to
      indicate the comparative engine wear between filter types?
      Maybe it's a byproduct of Facebook during the election campaign, but
   I
      don't believe anything I read without seeing unbiased data...
   Thanks!
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