[DeTomaso] Starting issues
Tomas Gunnarsson
guson at home.se
Wed Nov 16 14:15:34 EST 2016
If the fuel pump internal valves allow the fuel to drain back out of the
fuel line into the tank this would be the symptom. If the pump valves
seal poorly it would also make it harder to re-prime the pump after such
a drain. This happens on my Buick whenever it sits for a while. A new
mechanical pump is in the plans. The Pantera has an electric pump and
starts very well which is nice when you have an audience. :-)
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
Sent: 16/11/2016 4:23:05 PM
To: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;fred at creekspeak.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it
was
normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls evaporates
and it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One way of
"fixing"
this is to install an electric fuel pump, but that doesn't address the
cause. If the situation is only moderate, I sort of thought it was
positive, as it allows you to build oil pressure before the engine
fires.
Besides being annoying if you need to make a fast getaway after being
stopped for 3 months, is this harmful? What's the cause?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
<Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:
> Fred,
>
> You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer holding
its
> fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to
pump
> gas
> into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel
pump
> right?
>
> To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the carb
as
> you
> move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting
into
> the carb if it is working right.
>
> Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
> Of Fred Sweeney
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:37 AM
> To: detomaso at server detomasolist. com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
>
> I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold
engine.
> Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days. I
was
> told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb
was
> rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if
you
> have
> any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
>
> On November 15, 2016, at 11:00 AM, detomaso-request at server.
> detomasolist.com
> wrote:
>
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> 3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (Larry Stock)
> 4. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (Charles McCall)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:00 +0000
> From: Roland <willibillie at live.de>
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Message-ID:
>
> <VI1PR0101MB1758111199B8C8B6B7EBE3E9B3BC0 at VI1PR0101MB1758.
> eurprd01.prod.exch
> angelabs.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was
> basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter and
w/o
> oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment
of the
> German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that
where
> absolute bone stock Clevelands:
>
> Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
>
> Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
>
> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
> From: DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[1]
> detomaso-bounces at ser
> ver.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Mike Reilly <[2]reillyms at live.com><mailto:[2]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith
>
<[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net><mailto:[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>,
> MikeDrew
> <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> "<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[6]
> detomaso at server.detomasolis
> t.com>"
>
> <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[7]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist
> .com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc:
> [4]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[8]
> detomaso at server.detomasol
> ist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[9]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist
> .com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall
> <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[11]
> detomaso at server.detomasol
> ist.com>"
>
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[12]
> detomaso at server.detomasoli
> st.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> <[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To:
> [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:15]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.
> com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][16]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7][17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> ><mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.comonbehalfof>>
> [19]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:19]charlesmccall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
> >>> If this is t
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If the fuel pump internal valves allow the fuel to drain back out of
the fuel line into the tank this would be the symptom. If the pump
valves seal poorly it would also make it harder to re-prime the pump
after such a drain. This happens on my Buick whenever it sits for a
while. A new mechanical pump is in the plans. The Pantera has an
electric pump and starts very well which is nice when you have an
audience. :-)
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Charles McCall [charlesmccall at gmail.com]
Sent: 16/11/2016 4:23:05 PM
To: Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;fred at creekspeak.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it
was
normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls
evaporates
and it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One way of
"fixing"
this is to install an electric fuel pump, but that doesn't address the
cause. If the situation is only moderate, I sort of thought it was
positive, as it allows you to build oil pressure before the engine
fires.
Besides being annoying if you need to make a fast getaway after being
stopped for 3 months, is this harmful? What's the cause?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
<Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:
> Fred,
>
> You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer holding
its
> fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to
pump
> gas
> into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel
pump
> right?
>
> To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the carb
as
> you
> move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting
into
> the carb if it is working right.
>
> Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
> Of Fred Sweeney
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:37 AM
> To: detomaso at server detomasolist. com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
>
> I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold
engine.
> Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days. I
was
> told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb
was
> rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if
you
> have
> any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
>
> On November 15, 2016, at 11:00 AM, detomaso-request at server.
> detomasolist.com
> wrote:
>
> Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> detomaso-owner at server.detomasolist.com
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."
>
>
> Daily Detomaso List Digest
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Roland)
> 2. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (jderyke at aol.com)
> 3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (Larry Stock)
> 4. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (Charles McCall)
> 5. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (Larry Stock)
> 6. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (P6746 at aol.com)
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:00 +0000
> From: Roland <willibillie at live.de>
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Message-ID:
>
> <VI1PR0101MB1758111199B8C8B6B7EBE3E9B3BC0 at VI1PR0101MB1758.
> eurprd01.prod.exch
> angelabs.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was
> basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter
and w/o
> oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment
of the
> German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that
where
> absolute bone stock Clevelands:
>
> Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
>
> Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
>
> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
> From: DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[1]
> detomaso-bounces at ser
> ver.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Mike Reilly <[2]reillyms at live.com><mailto:[2]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith
>
<[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net><mailto:[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.ne
t>,
> MikeDrew
> <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> "<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[6]
> detomaso at server.detomasolis
> t.com>"
>
> <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[7]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist
> .com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc:
> [4]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[8]
> detomaso at server.detomasol
> ist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[9]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist
> .com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall
> <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[11]
> detomaso at server.detomasol
> ist.com>"
>
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[12]
> detomaso at server.detomasoli
> st.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> <[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To:
> [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:15]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.
> com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][16]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7][17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> ><mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.comonbehalfof>>
> [19]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:19]charlesmccall at gmail.com>>
wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
> >>> If this is t
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