[DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
marshallgsmith
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Sat Nov 12 21:11:19 EST 2016
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air flow slightly.
M
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust, driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sábado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://w7tsc.org
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb -
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
>>> all!
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I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.
The oil restricts air flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://w7tsc.org
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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