[DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Wed Nov 9 13:44:35 EST 2016
Larry,
Yes the rewards of my investment as an early supporter in the Tod Buttermore block back in 2008 will hopefully come to be realized soon. As an FYI Tod is still casting blocks (not Tim Meyer) to meet his obligations to those early supporters with 2 to go last contact, mine being one of them.
I have no idea what the current retail price of Tim Meyer's aluminum block is?
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
Julian wrote:
> Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
>
We are having this discussion now because I took my original block AND a standard bore 2-bolt block into the shop at the same time. I've told the shop to put both on hold while I gather information. It will be easier for them to sonic test two blocks back to back rather than doing one now and the other one (4-bolt) days later after I have received my fellow owners' guidance. The sooner I reach a decision the sooner additional prep work can resume.
We are having this discussion because I do not have all the answers, but collectively the wisdom of the Family should guide me to the proper decision.
We are having this discussion because I would like to retain that original 4-bolt block if possible. Sure, I could 'clone' another block by stamping the DeTomaso block number into it, but that is not my first choice.
We are having this discussion because as I noted, I have never heard of this failure previously and my block seems to have done a damn good job of exhibiting it. This discussion will add to our collective knowledge and may be useful for another owner sometime in the future.
We are having this discussion because as far as I know I cannot call anybody right "now" and purchase an on-the-shelf aluminum OEM-style block, because the Buttermore/Tim Meyer aluminum block is still not quite into regular production, and the knock-off copy by MME is not something I wish to support.
If anyone who jumped in on Tod Buttermore's project as an early supporter with a deposit, and I assume are thus still at the top of the delivery list for the Tim Meyer block, would like to sell their early purchase rights to me for the current retail price I would gladly discuss such an opportunity.
Aren't you on that list, Julian? ;-)
Care to help a guy out?
Larry
Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
>
> Julian
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:47 PM
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
>
> I have not seen the block in person.
>
> Here is a close-up photo provided by the shop.
>
> <image1.JPG>
>
>
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
> > On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious, now that you know where to look, are the cracks visible?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> My opinion.... new block.
> >> Those head bolts go into the water jacket as I recall but that's not
> >> the real problem here. Those are HEAD BOLTS. So picture this. The
> >> cracks grow under stress and eventually break a piece free. Now the
> >> head bolt no longer has sufficient clamping force to the block and more
> >> problems will ensue.
> >> Just me thinking out loud.
> >> Asa
> >> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> >>
> >> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >> All,
> >> Magnaflux testing of my original block has shown a total of five cracks
> >> (LH/RH) out of six possible, as shown in the photo below. Cracks are
> >> within the marked white lines.
> >> Cracks are from the water jacket to the head bolt threads. No cracks
> >> running into cylinders.
> >> I had taken note that some of the head bolts showed traces of coolant
> >> on them when removed, but no signs of any rust on any of them.
> >> Planned engine build is 383 or 408 hydraulic roller stroker using Scott
> >> Cook heads and intake with carburetor.
> >> Do those cracks mean the original block is now history?
> >> In 15 years of ownership I have never heard of Cleveland's exhibiting
> >> cracks in this manner.
> >> Seeking the Family's wisdom and advice.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Larry
> >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Larry,
Yes the rewards of my investment as an early supporter in the Tod
Buttermore block back in 2008 will hopefully come to be realized soon.
As an FYI Tod is still casting blocks (not Tim Meyer) to meet his
obligations to those early supporters with 2 to go last contact, mine
being one of them.
I have no idea what the current retail price of Tim Meyer's aluminum
block is?
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 3:01 PM
To: Email List Address For Posting
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
Julian wrote:
> Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket
Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
>
We are having this discussion now because I took my original block AND
a standard bore 2-bolt block into the shop at the same time. I've told
the shop to put both on hold while I gather information. It will be
easier for them to sonic test two blocks back to back rather than doing
one now and the other one (4-bolt) days later after I have received my
fellow owners' guidance. The sooner I reach a decision the sooner
additional prep work can resume.
We are having this discussion because I do not have all the answers,
but collectively the wisdom of the Family should guide me to the proper
decision.
We are having this discussion because I would like to retain that
original 4-bolt block if possible. Sure, I could 'clone' another block
by stamping the DeTomaso block number into it, but that is not my first
choice.
We are having this discussion because as I noted, I have never heard of
this failure previously and my block seems to have done a damn good job
of exhibiting it. This discussion will add to our collective knowledge
and may be useful for another owner sometime in the future.
We are having this discussion because as far as I know I cannot call
anybody right "now" and purchase an on-the-shelf aluminum OEM-style
block, because the Buttermore/Tim Meyer aluminum block is still not
quite into regular production, and the knock-off copy by MME is not
something I wish to support.
If anyone who jumped in on Tod Buttermore's project as an early
supporter with a deposit, and I assume are thus still at the top of the
delivery list for the Tim Meyer block, would like to sell their early
purchase rights to me for the current retail price I would gladly
discuss such an opportunity.
Aren't you on that list, Julian? ;-)
Care to help a guy out?
Larry
Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket
Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
>
> Julian
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: Email List Address For Posting
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
>
> I have not seen the block in person.
>
> Here is a close-up photo provided by the shop.
>
> <image1.JPG>
>
>
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
> > On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > Just curious, now that you know where to look, are the cracks
visible?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> My opinion.... new block.
> >> Those head bolts go into the water jacket as I recall but that's
not
> >> the real problem here. Those are HEAD BOLTS. So picture this.
The
> >> cracks grow under stress and eventually break a piece free. Now
the
> >> head bolt no longer has sufficient clamping force to the block
and more
> >> problems will ensue.
> >> Just me thinking out loud.
> >> Asa
> >> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> >>
> >> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
wrote:
> >> All,
> >> Magnaflux testing of my original block has shown a total of five
cracks
> >> (LH/RH) out of six possible, as shown in the photo below. Cracks
are
> >> within the marked white lines.
> >> Cracks are from the water jacket to the head bolt threads. No
cracks
> >> running into cylinders.
> >> I had taken note that some of the head bolts showed traces of
coolant
> >> on them when removed, but no signs of any rust on any of them.
> >> Planned engine build is 383 or 408 hydraulic roller stroker using
Scott
> >> Cook heads and intake with carburetor.
> >> Do those cracks mean the original block is now history?
> >> In 15 years of ownership I have never heard of Cleveland's
exhibiting
> >> cracks in this manner.
> >> Seeking the Family's wisdom and advice.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Larry
> >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> >> _______________________________________________
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