[DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
Asa Jay Laughton
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Tue Nov 8 17:28:37 EST 2016
Because its fun Julian. :)
But yea.... money being no object, I'd go with a brand new aluminum block.
Asa
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Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
>
>
>Julian
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>From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:47 PM
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>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
>
>I have not seen the block in person.
>
>Here is a close-up photo provided by the shop.
>
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>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just curious, now that you know where to look, are the cracks visible?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My opinion.... new block.
>>> Those head bolts go into the water jacket as I recall but that's not
>>> the real problem here. Those are HEAD BOLTS. So picture this. The
>>> cracks grow under stress and eventually break a piece free. Now the
>>> head bolt no longer has sufficient clamping force to the block and more
>>> problems will ensue.
>>> Just me thinking out loud.
>>> Asa
>>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>>
>>> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>> All,
>>> Magnaflux testing of my original block has shown a total of five cracks
>>> (LH/RH) out of six possible, as shown in the photo below. Cracks are
>>> within the marked white lines.
>>> Cracks are from the water jacket to the head bolt threads. No cracks
>>> running into cylinders.
>>> I had taken note that some of the head bolts showed traces of coolant
>>> on them when removed, but no signs of any rust on any of them.
>>> Planned engine build is 383 or 408 hydraulic roller stroker using Scott
>>> Cook heads and intake with carburetor.
>>> Do those cracks mean the original block is now history?
>>> In 15 years of ownership I have never heard of Cleveland's exhibiting
>>> cracks in this manner.
>>> Seeking the Family's wisdom and advice.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Larry
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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> Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket
> Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
>
> Julian
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: Email List Address For Posting
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
>
> I have not seen the block in person.
> Here is a close-up photo provided by the shop.
> [cid:f1102012-95ff-42e4-a9d4-a67fdd869500 at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> > On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious, now that you know where to look, are the cracks
> visible?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> My opinion.... new block.
> >> Those head bolts go into the water jacket as I recall but that's
> not
> >> the real problem here. Those are HEAD BOLTS. So picture this.
> The
> >> cracks grow under stress and eventually break a piece free. Now
> the
> >> head bolt no longer has sufficient clamping force to the block and
> more
> >> problems will ensue.
> >> Just me thinking out loud.
> >> Asa
> >> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> >>
> >> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >> All,
> >> Magnaflux testing of my original block has shown a total of five
> cracks
> >> (LH/RH) out of six possible, as shown in the photo below. Cracks
> are
> >> within the marked white lines.
> >> Cracks are from the water jacket to the head bolt threads. No
> cracks
> >> running into cylinders.
> >> I had taken note that some of the head bolts showed traces of
> coolant
> >> on them when removed, but no signs of any rust on any of them.
> >> Planned engine build is 383 or 408 hydraulic roller stroker using
> Scott
> >> Cook heads and intake with carburetor.
> >> Do those cracks mean the original block is now history?
> >> In 15 years of ownership I have never heard of Cleveland's
> exhibiting
> >> cracks in this manner.
> >> Seeking the Family's wisdom and advice.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Larry
> >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Because its fun Julian. :)
But yea.... money being no object, I'd go with a brand new aluminum
block.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket
Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:47 PM
To: Email List Address For Posting
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
I have not seen the block in person.
Here is a close-up photo provided by the shop.
[cid:f1102012-95ff-42e4-a9d4-a67fdd869500 at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just curious, now that you know where to look, are the cracks
visible?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
>>
>> My opinion.... new block.
>> Those head bolts go into the water jacket as I recall but that's
not
>> the real problem here. Those are HEAD BOLTS. So picture this.
The
>> cracks grow under stress and eventually break a piece free. Now
the
>> head bolt no longer has sufficient clamping force to the block and
more
>> problems will ensue.
>> Just me thinking out loud.
>> Asa
>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>
>> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> All,
>> Magnaflux testing of my original block has shown a total of five
cracks
>> (LH/RH) out of six possible, as shown in the photo below. Cracks
are
>> within the marked white lines.
>> Cracks are from the water jacket to the head bolt threads. No
cracks
>> running into cylinders.
>> I had taken note that some of the head bolts showed traces of
coolant
>> on them when removed, but no signs of any rust on any of them.
>> Planned engine build is 383 or 408 hydraulic roller stroker using
Scott
>> Cook heads and intake with carburetor.
>> Do those cracks mean the original block is now history?
>> In 15 years of ownership I have never heard of Cleveland's
exhibiting
>> cracks in this manner.
>> Seeking the Family's wisdom and advice.
>> Thanks,
>> Larry
>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>> _______________________________________________
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Aren't there folks manufacturing supposedly bulletproof aftermarket
Cleveland blocks now? Why are we having this discussion?
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:47 PM
To: Email List Address For Posting
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Magnaflux cracks - now what?
I have not seen the block in person.
Here is a close-up photo provided by the shop.
[cid:f1102012-95ff-42e4-a9d4-a67fdd869500 at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Just curious, now that you know where to look, are the cracks
visible?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
>>
>> My opinion.... new block.
>> Those head bolts go into the water jacket as I recall but that's
not
>> the real problem here. Those are HEAD BOLTS. So picture this.
The
>> cracks grow under stress and eventually break a piece free. Now
the
>> head bolt no longer has sufficient clamping force to the block
and
more
>> problems will ensue.
>> Just me thinking out loud.
>> Asa
>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>
>> Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
wrote:
>> All,
>> Magnaflux testing of my original block has shown a total of five
cracks
>> (LH/RH) out of six possible, as shown in the photo below. Cracks
are
>> within the marked white lines.
>> Cracks are from the water jacket to the head bolt threads. No
cracks
>> running into cylinders.
>> I had taken note that some of the head bolts showed traces of
coolant
>> on them when removed, but no signs of any rust on any of them.
>> Planned engine build is 383 or 408 hydraulic roller stroker
using
Scott
>> Cook heads and intake with carburetor.
>> Do those cracks mean the original block is now history?
>> In 15 years of ownership I have never heard of Cleveland's
exhibiting
>> cracks in this manner.
>> Seeking the Family's wisdom and advice.
>> Thanks,
>> Larry
>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>> _______________________________________________
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