[DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?

Forest Goodhart forestg at att.net
Sat May 28 16:58:36 EDT 2016


No we are talking about rear bearing nuts and axles.

      From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
 To: forestg at att.net 
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
   
  We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here.

  Tomas
  <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
      From: Forest Goodhart [forestg at att.net]
  Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM
  To: detomaso at detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
  I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on
  cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any
  issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus
  or minus
  From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
  Cc: "<detomaso at detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
    Tomas,
    You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut....
    Mike
    Sent from my iPhone
    On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson at home.se>
  wrote:
    I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D
    Tomas
    <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
        From: Mike Drew [[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
    Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM
    To: [3]guson at home.se
    Cc: [4]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net;[5]detomaso at detomasolist.com
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
    Tomas,
    I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the
    original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't
    really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done
    originally....
    Cheers!
    Mike
    Sent from my iPad
    > On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson at home.se>
    wrote:
    >
    > I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH
    > thread.
    >
    > Tomas
    > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
    > From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
    > Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM
    > To:

  [8]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com;[9]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com;[10]larrys at panteraparts
    .com
    > Cc: [11]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[12]detomaso at detomasolist.com
    > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
    > Late to this party.
    > Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side
    lug
    > nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the
    lugs
    > kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera
  axle
    > nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a
  friction
    > feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough
    > friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity
    > changes.
    > The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where
    > there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good
    > example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going
    > around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft
    > "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be
  able
    to
    > predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread.
    > Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the
    wrong
    > side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the
    wheels
    > will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st
    person
    > accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it
    > walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of
  the
    > car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward
  the
    > rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I
    > believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle.
    > Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of
    > catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a
  LH
    > thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on
  the
    > thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside
    > bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the
  d-shape
    > washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature
    would
    > have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day,
  until
    > the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway.
    > On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car
  to
    > walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I
    can't
    > see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the
    > nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this
  is
    > the only reason for the handed thread in this application.
    > Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
    > GD
    > From: B Hower via DeTomaso <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    > To: Vinh Ly <[14]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>; Larry Stock
    > <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com>
    > Cc: Mike Drew <[16]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
    "[17]detomaso at detomasolist.com"
    > <[18]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
    > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM
    > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
    > You would probably never notice a problem.
    > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
    > be
    > ! )
    > __________________________________________________________________
    > From: Vinh Ly <[19]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>
    > To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys at panteraparts.com>
    > Cc: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
  [22]detomaso at detomasolist.com
    > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM
    > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
    > Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were
    > incorrectly
    > installed on the wrong side?
    > Thanks,
    > Vinh Ly
    > #7445
    > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock
    > <[1][1][23]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
    > S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when
    > dueling
    > with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side)
    > Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct
    > Larry
    > On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
    > DeTomaso"
    > <[2][2][24]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
    > [3][3][25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
    >> Hi guys,
    >>
    >> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the
    > new
    >> forum.
    >>
    >> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right'
    > respectively.
    >> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse
    > thread,
    >> left to tighten)
    >>
    >> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left
    > side
    > of
    >> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or
    > deny?
    >>
    >> Thanks!
    >>
    >> And welcome back!
    >>
    >> Mike
    >>
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   No we are talking about rear bearing nuts and axles.
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
   To: forestg at att.net
   Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
   Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 1:23 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
     We're talking about front wheel bearing nuts here.
     Tomas
     <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
         From: Forest Goodhart [[1]forestg at att.net]
     Sent: 28/5/2016 3:34:04 AM
     To: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
     I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on
     cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had
   any
     issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus
     or minus
     From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     To: Tomas Gunnarsson <[4]guson at home.se>
     Cc: "<[5]detomaso at detomasolist.com>" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
       Tomas,
       You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut....
       Mike
       Sent from my iPhone
       On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1][7]guson at home.se>
     wrote:
       I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D
       Tomas
       <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
           From: Mike Drew [[2][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
       Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM
       To: [3][9]guson at home.se
       Cc:
   [4][10]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net;[5][11]detomaso at detomasolist.com
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
       Tomas,
       I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the
       original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I
   don't
       really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done
       originally....
       Cheers!
       Mike
       Sent from my iPad
       > On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson
   <[6][12]guson at home.se>
       wrote:
       >
       > I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car,
   RH
       > thread.
       >
       > Tomas
       > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
       > From: Guido deTomaso [[7][13]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
       > Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM
       > To:

   [8][14]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com;[9][15]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com;[10][16]larrys@
   panteraparts
       .com
       > Cc: [11][17]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[12][18]detomaso at detomasolist.com
       > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
       > Late to this party.
       > Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left
   side
       lug
       > nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but
   the
       lugs
       > kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera
     axle
       > nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a
     friction
       > feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough
       > friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity
       > changes.
       > The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where
       > there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good
       > example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot
   going
       > around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal
   shaft
       > "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be
     able
       to
       > predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread.
       > Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the
       wrong
       > side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the
       wheels
       > will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st
       person
       > accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize
   it
       > walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of
     the
       > car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward
     the
       > rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I
       > believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle.
       > Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of
       > catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put
   a
     LH
       > thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on
     the
       > thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the
   outside
       > bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the
     d-shape
       > washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature
       would
       > have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day,
     until
       > the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway.
       > On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car
     to
       > walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I
       can't
       > see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed,
   the
       > nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps
   this
     is
       > the only reason for the handed thread in this application.
       > Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
       > GD
       > From: B Hower via DeTomaso
   <[13][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
       > To: Vinh Ly <[14][20]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>; Larry Stock
       > <[15][21]larrys at panteraparts.com>
       > Cc: Mike Drew <[16][22]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
       "[17][23]detomaso at detomasolist.com"
       > <[18][24]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
       > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM
       > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
       > You would probably never notice a problem.
       > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
   not
       > be
       > ! )
       >
   __________________________________________________________________
       > From: Vinh Ly <[19][25]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>
       > To: Larry Stock <[20][26]larrys at panteraparts.com>
       > Cc: Mike Drew <[21][27]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
     [22][28]detomaso at detomasolist.com
       > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM
       > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
       > Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were
       > incorrectly
       > installed on the wrong side?
       > Thanks,
       > Vinh Ly
       > #7445
       > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock
       > <[1][1][23][29]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
       > S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when
       > dueling
       > with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side)
       > Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct
       > Larry
       > On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
       > DeTomaso"
       > <[2][2][24][30]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
   of
       > [3][3][25][31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       >> Hi guys,
       >>
       >> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on
   the
       > new
       >> forum.
       >>
       >> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right'
       > respectively.
       >> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse
       > thread,
       >> left to tighten)
       >>
       >> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left
       > side
       > of
       >> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or
       > deny?
       >>
       >> Thanks!
       >>
       >> And welcome back!
       >>
       >> Mike
       >>
       >> Sent from my iPhone
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