[DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Forest Goodhart
forestg at att.net
Fri May 27 21:34:04 EDT 2016
I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus or minus
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
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Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Tomas,
You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut....
Mike
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On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1]guson at home.se> wrote:
I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D
Tomas
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Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM
To: [3]guson at home.se
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Tomas,
I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the
original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't
really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done
originally....
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[6]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH
> thread.
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Guido deTomaso [[7]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM
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> Cc: [11]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[12]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> Late to this party.
> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side
lug
> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the
lugs
> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera axle
> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a friction
> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough
> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity
> changes.
> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where
> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good
> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going
> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft
> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be able
to
> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread.
> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the
wrong
> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the
wheels
> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st
person
> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it
> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of the
> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward the
> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I
> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle.
> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of
> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a LH
> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on the
> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside
> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the d-shape
> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature
would
> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day, until
> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway.
> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car to
> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I
can't
> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the
> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this is
> the only reason for the handed thread in this application.
> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
> GD
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> <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com>
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> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> You would probably never notice a problem.
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
> be
> ! )
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> To: Larry Stock <[20]larrys at panteraparts.com>
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> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were
> incorrectly
> installed on the wrong side?
> Thanks,
> Vinh Ly
> #7445
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock
> <[1][1][23]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when
> dueling
> with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side)
> Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct
> Larry
> On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso"
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>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the
> new
>> forum.
>>
>> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right'
> respectively.
>> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse
> thread,
>> left to tighten)
>>
>> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left
> side
> of
>> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or
> deny?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> And welcome back!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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I do not think it matters which side the axle is on. I've worked on
cars with two lefts and also cars with two rights. Neither ever had any
issue with axle nuts coming loose, they are torqued to 360 lb/ft plus
or minus
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Cc: "<detomaso at detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Tomas,
You have to remove the driveshaft to see the nut....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On May 27, 2016, at 15:51, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <[1][1]guson at home.se>
wrote:
I'll check next time my car has its wheels off! :-D
Tomas
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From: Mike Drew [[2][2]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: 27/5/2016 9:43:52 PM
To: [3][3]guson at home.se
Cc: [4][4]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net;[5][5]detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Tomas,
I started this thread and the overwhelming response is that the
original setup had the LH threads on the LH side of the car. I don't
really want to know why, just wanted to know what was done
originally....
Cheers!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On May 27, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson
<[6][6]guson at home.se>
wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Left side of the car, RH
> thread.
>
> Tomas
> <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> From: Guido deTomaso [[7][7]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net]
> Sent: 27/5/2016 8:23:20 PM
> To:
[8][8]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com;[9][9]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com;[10][10]larrys at pa
nteraparts
.com
> Cc: [11][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[12][12]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> Late to this party.
> Pretty hard to imagine skidding to a stop and having the left side
lug
> nuts spin off because of angular momentum, the hub stopped but the
lugs
> kept spinning. Similarly hard to imagine the lightweight Pantera
axle
> nut continuing to spin even if not tightened since it has a
friction
> feature. Any fastener tightened at all is going to produce enough
> friction to be impervious to angular momentum / angular velocity
> changes.
> The self-tightening phenomenon is somewhat easy to predict where
> there's a rotating load and a thread. A bicycle pedal is a good
> example, if you can visualize the weight of the rider's foot going
> around a loose thread, visualize the male thread of the pedal shaft
> "walking" around the female thread of the crank arm, you may be
able
to
> predict which side will be self-tightening with a LH thread.
> Similarly British car knock off caps, if the hubs are put on the
wrong
> side of the car, or the car is towed backwards, good chance the
wheels
> will fall off, hasn't happened to me but I've heard several 1st
person
> accounts. Again if you look at the weight of the car, visualize it
> walking around the thread, you can predict that the right side of
the
> car will get the LH thread. ( Hit the top of the knock off toward
the
> rear of the car to tighten ). LH threaded lug nuts, still used I
> believe on heavy-duty trucks, same principle.
> Other times reverse thread seems to be there only in case of
> catastrophe: Witness every VW and Porsche I'm aware of, they put a
LH
> thread on the left side front spindle. Now this has no weight on
the
> thread ... in order for the nut to want to turn, first the outside
> bearing would have to start spinning on the spindle, then the
d-shape
> washer would have to fail, and the cotter pin or clamping feature
would
> have to fail, ONLY THEN the reverse thread would save the day,
until
> the heat build up snaps the spindle anyway.
> On the Pantera ... I don't see any path for the weight of the car
to
> walk around the thread of the axle nut ... maybe it's there but I
can't
> see it. However if under acceleration the flange spline failed, the
> nuts would tighten if they followed the flange, yes ? Perhaps this
is
> the only reason for the handed thread in this application.
> Or so it seems to me, I could be wrong.
> GD
> From: B Hower via DeTomaso
<[13][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: Vinh Ly <[14][14]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>; Larry Stock
> <[15][15]larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: Mike Drew <[16][16]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
"[17][17]detomaso at detomasolist.com"
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> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> You would probably never notice a problem.
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
> be
> ! )
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Vinh Ly <[19][19]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com>
> To: Larry Stock <[20][20]larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: Mike Drew <[21][21]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
[22][22]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> Question, what would be the ramifications if the axles were
> incorrectly
> installed on the wrong side?
> Thanks,
> Vinh Ly
> #7445
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Larry Stock
> <[1][1][23][23]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> S= Sinestro or Left (the Sinister hand that holds the sword when
> dueling
> with the Romans) that goes on the Left side (drivers side)
> Mike, you win the prize for getting this one correct
> Larry
> On 5/20/16, 10:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso"
> <[2][2][24][24]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
> [3][3][25][25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I thought I would lead off with he first technical question on the
> new
>> forum.
>>
>> The rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and 'right'
> respectively.
>> But that speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse
> thread,
>> left to tighten)
>>
>> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten axle goes on the left
> side
> of
>> the car but I can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or
> deny?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> And welcome back!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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