[DeTomaso] State of POCA address
James coyne
tecnosound at hotmail.com
Mon May 23 13:11:33 EDT 2016
Asa Jay , You are correct , I believe the archives are intact and complete . Because of Mr. Shortts stated desire to have them purged , and the initial delay in them being transfered to Kurt' s control , I initially thought Shortt had succeeded in purging them . Our Detomaso Forum , and it's archives are in good and trustworthy hands under Kurt's supervision . - James Coyne
> Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 06:39:14 -0700
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
>
> James,
> I'm not aware of this, no. I wouldn't think Kurt would be swayed by
> Mr. MS into removing any old or existing posts by MS just because they
> made him look bad. I may be wrong and I think Kurt will let me know.
> I'm assuming you are referring to the DeTomaso email forum and not the
> on-line Web forum, or facebook.
> Kurt, any truth to this?
> Asa
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [1]http://w7tsc.org
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 5/22/2016 3:35 PM, James coyne wrote:
>
> Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in
> response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the
> new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged" so
> that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you
> aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any
> posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his
> racist comments about African Americans ?
> > Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700
> > From: [3]asajay at asajay.com
> > To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> >
> > Something that might be dug up in the archives...
> > When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as a
> > newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they
> tried
> > to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they had
> > made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts.
> > That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove
> the
> > posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them "once
> > on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's
> > extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when
> it's
> > more than just a day or so old.
> > I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the
> > aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be
> removed
> > from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I
> might
> > have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go back
> > through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes, for
> > those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down from
> > nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;)
> > I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and
> I'm
> > sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where
> > I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on my
> > own.
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [1][5]http://w7tsc.org
> > [2][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> > On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:
> >
> > Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and remember
> > many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything you
> > write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the
> > world to see and google.
> > I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the
> club.
> > There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I
> may
> > agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't
> write
> > something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written about
> > yourself. It's just a car club.
> > Kurt
> > On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:
> >
> > Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30 years
> > ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally hold
> > my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore this
> > list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to
> > watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of
> > this community.
> > sean
> >
> > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift
> > [1][3][7]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a
> > favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a
> > mandate to continue ;-)
> > ________________________________________
> > From: DeTomaso [2][4][8]<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> on
> > behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5][9]<[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM
> > To: 'Forest Goodhart'; [[[[10]6]4]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> >
> > Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael?
> > Mike Thomas
> > Pres., Panteras Northwest
> > Yellow a74 #6328
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [mailto:[[[[11]7]5]5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> > Behalf Of Forest Goodhart
> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM
> > To: [[[[12]8]6]6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> > OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to
> > send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution list
> > from POCA. Forest
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> > --
> > Sean Korb [[[[17]13]11]11]spkorb at spkorb.org
> [12][12][14][18]http://www.spkorb.org
> > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera
> > #1382
> > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> > "Computers are useless.A They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
> >
> > References
> >
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> > 2. [14][16][20]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3. [15][17][21]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 4. [16][18][22]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 5. [17][19][23]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 6. [18][20][24]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 7. [19][21][25]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8.
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> > 10.
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> > 11. [23][25][29]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 12. [24][26][30]http://www.spkorb.org/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> > DeTomaso mailing list
> > [[[31]27]25]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> >
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> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[[[33]29]1]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 2. mailto:[[[34]30]2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3. mailto:[[[35]31]3]mbefthomas at comcast.net
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> > 26. [60][64]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> >
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> > -----
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - [63]www.avg.com
> > Version: 2016.0.7597 / Virus Database: 4568/12278 - Release Date:
> 05/22/16
> >
> > References
> >
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> > 5. mailto:[[71]3]mbefthomas at comcast.net
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> > 63. [145]http://www.avg.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - [148]www.avg.com
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> 05/22/16
>
> References
>
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> 128. http://www.spkorb.org/
> 129. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 130. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 131. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> 132. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 133. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 134. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 135. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 136. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 137. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 138. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 139. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> 140. http://www.spkorb.org/
> 141. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 142. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 143. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 144. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 145. http://www.avg.com/
> 146. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 147. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 148. http://www.avg.com/
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Asa Jay , You are correct , I believe the archives are intact and
complete . Because of Mr. Shortts stated desire to have them purged ,
and the initial delay in them being transfered to Kurt' s control , I
initially thought Shortt had succeeded in purging them . Our Detomaso
Forum , and it's archives are in good and trustworthy hands under
Kurt's supervision . - James Coyne
> Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 06:39:14 -0700
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
>
> James,
> I'm not aware of this, no. I wouldn't think Kurt would be swayed by
> Mr. MS into removing any old or existing posts by MS just because
they
> made him look bad. I may be wrong and I think Kurt will let me know.
> I'm assuming you are referring to the DeTomaso email forum and not
the
> on-line Web forum, or facebook.
> Kurt, any truth to this?
> Asa
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [1]http://w7tsc.org
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 5/22/2016 3:35 PM, James coyne wrote:
>
> Asa Jay , Are you aware that that on 5/18/16 Micheal Shortt , in
> response to a comment about the Detomaso Mailing list archives on the
> new POCA webste , stated that he was working on having them "purged"
so
> that we (he) doesnt " look like a bunch of grumpy old men " ? Are you
> aware also that currently the archives have indeed been purged of any
> posts deemed by Micheal Shortt to make himself look bad including his
> racist comments about African Americans ?
> > Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:49:39 -0700
> > From: [3]asajay at asajay.com
> > To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> >
> > Something that might be dug up in the archives...
> > When a certain someone was granted access to the old POCA server as
a
> > newly board appointed administrator, one of the first things they
> tried
> > to do was remove disparaging posts from the email forum that they
had
> > made regarding a Pantera Vendor. And I mean these were nasty posts.
> > That person had since reconciled the issue and now wanted to remove
> the
> > posts. They eventually contacted me and I essentially told them
"once
> > on the internet... always on the internet." And in reality, it's
> > extremely difficult to remove a post from Mailman, especially when
> it's
> > more than just a day or so old.
> > I seem to recall another certain someone who also works with the
> > aforementioned someone, who also asked for specific posts to be
> removed
> > from the archives sometime prior to last year's POCA election. I
> might
> > have that slightly wrong so don't hold me to it. I'd have to go
back
> > through my persona emails which now number just over 16,000. Yes,
for
> > those who have been counting (not that anybody has) that's down
from
> > nearly 20,000 a couple years ago. ;)
> > I myself have made some not so flattering remarks in the past, and
> I'm
> > sure you can find them in the archives. And you can also find where
> > I've made amends when it was pointed out or I came to my senses on
my
> > own.
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [1][5]http://w7tsc.org
> > [2][6]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> > On 5/22/2016 10:31 AM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:
> >
> > Excellent point Sean. Please keep things in prospective and
remember
> > many services potentially crawl the list and archives so anything
you
> > write, any person you disparage, etc. are potentially saved for the
> > world to see and google.
> > I'm CERTAIN the POCA BOD is doing what it thinks is best for the
> club.
> > There are many valid changes they're trying to institute. You or I
> may
> > agree or disagree with the changes and approach but PLEASE don't
> write
> > something naming specific people that you wouldn't want written
about
> > yourself. It's just a car club.
> > Kurt
> > On 5/22/2016 1:15 PM, Sean Korb wrote:
> >
> > Just a reminder, the email archives are public.A A I learned 30
years
> > ago that local politics were not my thing except to occasionally
hold
> > my nose and vote, plus a little well placed snark :)A A I adore
this
> > list though so I'm not exactly pulling out a bucket of popcorn to
> > watch.A Be sure not to be exclusive.A That is the real strength of
> > this community.
> > sean
> >
> > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Julian Kift
> > [1][3][7]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well if you only send it to the people you know will provide a
> > favorable response then the statistic become very useful as a
> > mandate to continue ;-)
> > ________________________________________
> > From: DeTomaso
[2][4][8]<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> on
> > behalf of Mike Thomas [3][5][9]<[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:41 AM
> > To: 'Forest Goodhart';
[[[[10]6]4]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> >
> > Odd, seems I was not either.A Michael?
> > Mike Thomas
> > Pres., Panteras Northwest
> > Yellow a74 #6328
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [mailto:[[[[11]7]5]5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> > Behalf Of Forest Goodhart
> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 4:46 PM
> > To: [[[[12]8]6]6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] State of POCA address
> > OK, I've now gotten several copies of the state address. No need to
> > send me any more. Just wonder why I was not on the distribution
list
> > from POCA. Forest
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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> > [[[[15]11]9]9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >
>
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> o
> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.)
> > use the links above.
> >
> > --
> > Sean Korb [[[[17]13]11]11]spkorb at spkorb.org
> [12][12][14][18]http://www.spkorb.org
> > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71
Pantera
> > #1382
> > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> > "Computers are useless.A They can only give you answers." -P.
Picasso
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [13][15][19]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 2. [14][16][20]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3. [15][17][21]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 4. [16][18][22]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 5. [17][19][23]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 6. [18][20][24]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 7. [19][21][25]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8.
> [20][22][26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 9. [21][23][27]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 10.
> [22][24][28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 11. [23][25][29]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 12. [24][26][30]http://www.spkorb.org/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> > [[[31]27]25]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >
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> >
> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.)
> use the li
> > nks above.
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[[[33]29]1]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 2. mailto:[[[34]30]2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 3. mailto:[[[35]31]3]mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 4.
[32]mail[33][36]m[37]33]mailto:4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 5.
>
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> om
> > 6.
[36]mail[37][40]m[41]37]mailto:6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 7.
[38]mail[39][42]m[43]39]mailto:7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8. [40][44]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 9.
[41]mail[42][45]m[46]42]mailto:9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 10.
[43][47]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 11. [44]mail[45][48]m[49]45]mailto:11]spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 12. [46][50]http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 13. [47][51]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 14. [48][52]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 15. [49][53]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 16. [50][54]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 17. [51][55]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 18. [52][56]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 19. [53][57]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 20.
[54][58]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 21. [55][59]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 22.
[56][60]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 23. [57][61]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 24. [58][62]http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 25. [59][63]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 26.
[60][64]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > [[65]61]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> >
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> use the li
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> >
> >
> > -----
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - [63]www.avg.com
> > Version: 2016.0.7597 / Virus Database: 4568/12278 - Release Date:
> 05/22/16
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [67]http://w7tsc.org/
> > 2. [68]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> > 3. mailto:[[69]1]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 4. mailto:[[70]2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 5. mailto:[[71]3]mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 6. [72]mail[73]mailto:4]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 7. [74]mail[75]mailto:5]5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 8. [76]mail[77]mailto:6]6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 9. [78]mail[79]mailto:7]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 10. [80]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 11. [81]mail[82]mailto:9]9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 12. [83]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 13. [84]mail[85]mailto:11]11]spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 14. [86]http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 15. [87]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 16. [88]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 17. [89]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 18. [90]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 19. [91]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 20. [92]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 21. [93]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 22. [94]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 23. [95]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 24. [96]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 25. [97]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 26. [98]http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 27. [99]mail[100]mailto:25]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 28. [101]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 29. [102]mail[103]mailto:1]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 30. [104]mail[105]mailto:2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 31. [106]mail[107]mailto:3]mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 32. [108]mailto:4
> > 33. [109]mail[110]mailto:mailto:4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 34. [111]mailto:5
> > 35.
>
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> > 36. [114]mailto:6
> > 37. [115]mail[116]mailto:mailto:6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 38. [117]mailto:7
> > 39. [118]mail[119]mailto:mailto:7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 40. [120]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 41. [121]mailto:9
> > 42. [122]mail[123]mailto:mailto:9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 43. [124]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 44. [125]mailto:11
> > 45. [126]mail[127]mailto:mailto:11]spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 46. [128]http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 47. [129]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 48. [130]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 49. [131]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> > 50. [132]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 51. [133]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> > 52. [134]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 53. [135]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 54. [136]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 55. [137]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 56. [138]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 57. [139]mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org
> > 58. [140]http://www.spkorb.org/
> > 59. [141]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 60. [142]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 61. [143]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > 62. [144]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> > 63. [145]http://www.avg.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> >
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> use the links above.
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - [148]www.avg.com
> Version: 2016.0.7597 / Virus Database: 4568/12280 - Release Date:
> 05/22/16
>
> References
>
> 1. http://w7tsc.org/
> 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 3. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 5. http://w7tsc.org/
> 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> 8. mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 9. mailto:[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net
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> 72. mailto:4
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> 74. mailto:5
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> 78. mailto:7
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> 90. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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