[DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Tomas Gunnarsson
guson at home.se
Mon May 23 02:51:01 EDT 2016
Sorry for giving you a headache Asa Jay! :-) It's actually as simple as
(cross section area) multiplied by (force per area unit).
Tomas
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From: Asa Jay Laughton [asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: 22/5/2016 10:41:34 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Tomas,
Please take the following comment as a deep respect for your depth of
knowledge as I have never professed to be a learned engineer.
Dang man you can make my head hurt. ;)
I truly admire the smart folks we have out there.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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[2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 5/22/2016 7:28 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of
19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2
and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a
little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6
x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin.
Tomas
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From: Larry Weston [[3]lplugw at hotmail.com]
Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM
To: [4]guson at home.se
Cc: [5]detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case,
there are four of them.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson
<[6]guson at home.se[7]<mailto:guson at home.se>> wrote:
A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the
weight of the car.
Tomas
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Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in
that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm
diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to
think about it to much I decided.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift
<[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com[16]<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle
tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being
within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is
still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half
shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas
when we brake!
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: marshall smith
<[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net[18]<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.ne
t>>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM
> To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew';
[19]detomaso at detomasolist.com[20]<mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com>;
Julian
Kift
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
>
> Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to
loosen the axle nut??
>
> M
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift
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>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> To: "Douglas Kelm"
<[23]dakelm at qwest.net[24]<mailto:dakelm at qwest.net>>,
"'Mike Drew'" <[25]MikeLDrew at aol.com[26]<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>,
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> Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM
>
> Doug,
>
> Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the
> wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise
> motion of the axle would want to undo it!
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso
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>>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM
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[35]detomaso at detomasolist.com[36]<mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which
> side?
>
> I would think that
> the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the
> left side
> of the vehicle. Think of the nut
> being stationary while the axle (on the
> drivers side) rotates counter clockwise
> (looking from outside the car),
> meaning the
> nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is
> the
> desired situation. Of course,
> there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely
> full of "it"!
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf
> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which
> side?
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I thought I would lead off
> with he first technical question on the new
> forum.
>
> The
> rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and
> 'right' respectively. But
> that
> speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse
> thread, left to
> tighten)
>
> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten
> axle goes on the left side of the
> car but I
> can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or
> deny?
>
> Thanks!
>
> And welcome back!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Sorry for giving you a headache Asa Jay! :-) It's actually as simple as
(cross section area) multiplied by (force per area unit).
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Asa Jay Laughton [asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: 22/5/2016 10:41:34 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Tomas,
Please take the following comment as a deep respect for your depth of
knowledge as I have never professed to be a learned engineer.
Dang man you can make my head hurt. ;)
I truly admire the smart folks we have out there.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[1]http://w7tsc.org
[2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 5/22/2016 7:28 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
An M6 screw has a core diameter of 5 mm. A 5 mm dia rod has an area of
19.6 mm2. An ordinare 8.8 grade screw has a yield strength of 640 N/mm2
and a tensile strength of 800 N/mm2. 19.6 x 640 N is 12544 N whis is a
little less than what a Pantera would require to be lifted in all. 19.6
x 800 is 15680 N which is enough with a margin.
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Larry Weston [[3]lplugw at hotmail.com]
Sent: 22/5/2016 2:15:10 AM
To: [4]guson at home.se
Cc: [5]detomaso at detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
Ok. Not sure about the physics of all of it, but if that's the case,
there are four of them.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson
<[6]guson at home.se[7]<mailto:guson at home.se>> wrote:
A single six mm diameter screw itself is just about able to lift the
weight of the car.
Tomas
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From: Larry Weston
[[8]lplugw at hotmail.com[9]<mailto:lplugw at hotmail.com>]
Sent: 20/5/2016 10:49:42 PM
To: [10]julian_kift at hotmail.com[11]<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
That being said, I have sometimes wondered about the faith we put in
that 1/8" thick bearing retainer plate we secure with four six mm
diameter flathead screws. That seems like a weak link. Best not to
think about it to much I decided.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Julian Kift
<[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com[16]<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
wrote:
>
> The axle nut is on there at 450 ft/lb but it is only keeping the axle
tight in the inner race of the wheel bearings, rotational freedom being
within the bearings and even though you are braking hard the axle is
still rotating in a forward direction, plus the axle inner flange/half
shaft is splined to the axle shaft and most of us do let of the gas
when we brake!
>
> Julian
> ________________________________________
> From: marshall smith
<[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net[18]<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.n
et>>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:16 PM
> To: Douglas Kelm; 'Mike Drew';
[19]detomaso at detomasolist.com[20]<mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com>;
Julian
Kift
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
>
> Okay...really dumb question here. Wouldn't hard braking want to
loosen the axle nut??
>
> M
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 5/20/16, Julian Kift
<[21]julian_kift at hotmail.com[22]<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which side?
> To: "Douglas Kelm"
<[23]dakelm at qwest.net[24]<mailto:dakelm at qwest.net>>,
"'Mike Drew'" <[25]MikeLDrew at aol.com[26]<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>,
"[27]detomaso at detomasolist.com[28]<mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com>"
<[29]detomaso at detomasolist.com[30]<mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com>>
> Date: Friday, May 20, 2016, 1:12 PM
>
> Doug,
>
> Remember the axle nut is on the inside of the
> wheel in this case, if it were RH then the counter clockwise
> motion of the axle would want to undo it!
>
> Julian
>
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso
<[31]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com[32]<mailto:detomaso-bounc
es at ser
ve
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> on behalf of Douglas Kelm
<[33]dakelm at qwest.net[34]<mailto:dakelm at qwest.net
>>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:52 PM
> To: 'Mike Drew';
[35]detomaso at detomasolist.com[36]<mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which
> side?
>
> I would think that
> the "righty tighty" threads (normal) go on the
> left side
> of the vehicle. Think of the nut
> being stationary while the axle (on the
> drivers side) rotates counter clockwise
> (looking from outside the car),
> meaning the
> nut wants to self tighten (rotate clockwise), which is
> the
> desired situation. Of course,
> there's a 50/50 chance that I'm completely
> full of "it"!
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[37]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 PM
> To:
[38]detomaso at detomasolist.com[39]<mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Which axles on which
> side?
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I thought I would lead off
> with he first technical question on the new
> forum.
>
> The
> rear axles are marked S and D, for 'left' and
> 'right' respectively. But
> that
> speaks to the thread direction (one of them is reverse
> thread, left to
> tighten)
>
> It's my belief that the S or left-tighten
> axle goes on the left side of the
> car but I
> can't remember for sure. Can somebody confirm or
> deny?
>
> Thanks!
>
> And welcome back!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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