[DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sat May 21 18:08:15 EDT 2016


This is familiar. I'm dealing with a guy (Pres. of our HOA) right now who is the same.  Even worse..
he's a lawyer. Narcissistic. Makes horrifying decisions and costing us money!


"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
Date: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion

Did this really happen?

I only ask because I'm trying to understand the difference between who
MS appears to be "in public" versus who he seemingly appears to be "in
private" away from other eavesdroppers.

Yours is not the first time I've heard this kind of thing, and if it's
true it continues to speak to a disparity between the "kinder, gentler"
POCA leadership and how MS actually treats people in person.  Part of
the trouble seems to be that if anyone disagrees with or even looks like
the -might- disagree with him, they are put off immediately as an
agitator.  It's kind of sad really.

Asa  Jay

Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://w7tsc.org
http://www.teampanteraracing.com


On 5/21/2016 10:05 AM, R.J wrote:
Last time, when Europeans where invited to Poca, i asked Mr. Shortt
about the benefits, i got the nasty answer, invited people should not
ask a question, they should take the invitation or leave...

OK, i left..

Roland



Am 21.05.2016 um 16:23 schrieb Asa Jay Laughton:
     Yes, there were too many that I thought simply couldn't be answered
     because there was NO balance to the answers, it was either I fully
     don't agree with you at all, or I think you need to fire everyone
else
     so you can do what you want.
     I think the man is a closet narcissist.  Why can't we have a
middle of
     the road solution?
     Example.
     He says "he" wants an all-electronic newsletter.  But what about
those
     members who don't?  Can't there be a happy medium where those who
want
     electronic delivery can -have- electronic delivery and those who
want a
     paper copy can get a paper copy?
     According to him... no.  There can be no happy medium.  You will
     conform or you will leave.
     Asa  Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[1]http://w7tsc.org
[2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

     On 5/21/2016 6:33 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:

     Hi Guys,

     I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can't.

     Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked.  But some are
     designed to support one viewpoint over another.

     For example:

     1.  I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the
new
     President and the progressive  BOD members who support moving the
club
     forward.

     O  Absolutely, the change was long over due.  I can already see the
     difference.

     O  Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone.

     The responses can be interpreted thusly:

     A.  Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot.

     B.  I'm stupid, and I like it that way.

     Seriously?

     How about?

     C.  I support the direction the club is headed, but the President is
     alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message.

     D.  Why not have a free form text field and let the members write
what
     they want?  It's not like we have billions of members and can't sort
     through their responses.

     Will.

     From: [3]<[1]survey-noreply at smo.surveymonkey.com<mailto:survey-noreply at smo.surveymonkey.com>> on behalf of
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     Date: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:34 PM
     To: Will Kooiman [7]<[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>
     Subject: We want your opinion


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      We're conducting a survey and your input would be appreciated.
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   This is familiar. I'm dealing with a guy (Pres. of our HOA) right now
   who is the same.  Even worse..
   he's a lawyer. Narcissistic. Makes horrifying decisions and costing us
   money!

   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay at asajay.com>
   Date: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:29 AM
   To: "[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion

   Did this really happen?
   I only ask because I'm trying to understand the difference between who
   MS appears to be "in public" versus who he seemingly appears to be "in
   private" away from other eavesdroppers.
   Yours is not the first time I've heard this kind of thing, and if it's
   true it continues to speak to a disparity between the "kinder, gentler"
   POCA leadership and how MS actually treats people in person.  Part of
   the trouble seems to be that if anyone disagrees with or even looks
   like
   the -might- disagree with him, they are put off immediately as an
   agitator.  It's kind of sad really.
   Asa  Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   &  Shelley Marie
   Spokane, WA
   ******************************
   [6]http://w7tsc.org
   [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
   On 5/21/2016 10:05 AM, R.J wrote:

   Last time, when Europeans where invited to Poca, i asked Mr. Shortt

   about the benefits, i got the nasty answer, invited people should not

   ask a question, they should take the invitation or leave...

   OK, i left..

   Roland

   Am 21.05.2016 um 16:23 schrieb Asa Jay Laughton:

        Yes, there were too many that I thought simply couldn't be
   answered

        because there was NO balance to the answers, it was either I fully

        don't agree with you at all, or I think you need to fire everyone

   else

        so you can do what you want.

        I think the man is a closet narcissist.  Why can't we have a

   middle of

        the road solution?

        Example.

        He says "he" wants an all-electronic newsletter.  But what about

   those

        members who don't?  Can't there be a happy medium where those who

   want

        electronic delivery can -have- electronic delivery and those who

   want a

        paper copy can get a paper copy?

        According to him... no.  There can be no happy medium.  You will

        conform or you will leave.

        Asa  Jay

   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

   & Shelley Marie

   Spokane, WA

   ******************************

   [1][8]http://w7tsc.org

   [2][9]http://www.teampanteraracing.com

        On 5/21/2016 6:33 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:

        Hi Guys,

        I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can't.

        Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked.  But some
   are

        designed to support one viewpoint over another.

        For example:

        1.  I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the

   new

        President and the progressive  BOD members who support moving the

   club

        forward.

        O  Absolutely, the change was long over due.  I can already see
   the

        difference.

        O  Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone.

        The responses can be interpreted thusly:

        A.  Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot.

        B.  I'm stupid, and I like it that way.

        Seriously?

        How about?

        C.  I support the direction the club is headed, but the President
   is

        alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message.

        D.  Why not have a free form text field and let the members write

   what

        they want?  It's not like we have billions of members and can't
   sort

        through their responses.

        Will.

        From: [3]<[1][10]survey-noreply at smo.surveymonkey.com> on behalf of

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        Date: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:34 PM

        To: Will Kooiman [7]<[5][14]will.kooiman at gmail.com>

        Subject: We want your opinion

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