[DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit

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Sat May 21 15:45:59 EDT 2016 

FWIW, I think there is a new refrigerant used in Europe, but the real problem is, as usual none are compatible with the reclaiming systems that U.S shops are forced to use by the DOT. Most AC shops now have two- one for R-12 and a different one for r-134a. A third system would be too much expense and complication. Neither U.S system will handle Freeze-12 or the several propane based refrigerants, for instance so people who bought into those now cannot get their systems serviced at most shops. They all cross-contaminate each other. I think the lube-oils are incompatible, too.

Or so I'm told. Sorry- J Deryke

 

 

 

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From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit

I don't wish to complicate anything, I was mostly just wondering, 
because I thought I'd heard there was something new out there.  I'm not 
actually looking to work on an A/C, it's just a question that came up.

I know most folks have great luck with both the R12 and the R134a 
conversions.  But if a person were starting out with a non-working stock 
system, is there a third option available and how does it compare to R12 
and R134?  I might be all wet here too, I just thought I'd heard there 
was something new out there.

Asa  Jay

Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 5/21/2016 10:49 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
> I have done quite a bit of work on Pantera A/C systems of late, both R-12 and R-134a conversions, both refrigerants are available, why do you want to complicate things?
>
> Julian
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit
>
> Alright, so we know the cars came with R-12 and then sometime in the not
> too distant past cars converted to R-134.
>
> Was there a -new- refrigerant talked about recently that is replacing R-134?
> Is it better?
> Is it worse?
> Can it work with R-12 or R134 components?
>
> Does anyone have the inside scoop on A/C systems today?
>
> Asa  Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &   Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://w7tsc.org
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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   FWIW, I think there is a new refrigerant used in Europe, but the real
   problem is, as usual none are compatible with the reclaiming systems
   that U.S shops are forced to use by the DOT. Most AC shops now have
   two- one for R-12 and a different one for r-134a. A third system would
   be too much expense and complication. Neither U.S system will handle
   Freeze-12 or the several propane based refrigerants, for instance so
   people who bought into those now cannot get their systems serviced at
   most shops. They all cross-contaminate each other. I think the
   lube-oils are incompatible, too.
   Or so I'm told. Sorry- J Deryke

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 11:15 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit
   I don't wish to complicate anything, I was mostly just wondering,
   because I thought I'd heard there was something new out there. I'm not
   actually looking to work on an A/C, it's just a question that came up.
   I know most folks have great luck with both the R12 and the R134a
   conversions. But if a person were starting out with a non-working stock
   system, is there a third option available and how does it compare to
   R12
   and R134? I might be all wet here too, I just thought I'd heard there
   was something new out there.
   Asa Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   & Shelley Marie
   Spokane, WA
   ******************************
   [1]http://w7tsc.org
   [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
   On 5/21/2016 10:49 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
   > I have done quite a bit of work on Pantera A/C systems of late, both
   R-12 and R-134a conversions, both refrigerants are available, why do
   you want to complicate things?
   >
   > Julian
   > ________________________________________
   > From: DeTomaso<detomaso-[3]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Asa Jay Laughton<[4]asajay at asajay.com>
   > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:38 AM
   > To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit
   >
   > Alright, so we know the cars came with R-12 and then sometime in the
   not
   > too distant past cars converted to R-134.
   >
   > Was there a -new- refrigerant talked about recently that is replacing
   R-134?
   > Is it better?
   > Is it worse?
   > Can it work with R-12 or R134 components?
   >
   > Does anyone have the inside scoop on A/C systems today?
   >
   > Asa Jay
   >
   > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   > & Shelley Marie
   > Spokane, WA
   > ******************************
   > [6]http://w7tsc.org
   > [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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