[DeTomaso] 5.4 conversion on BaT

Rob Dumoulin rob at dumoulins.net
Fri Mar 25 20:59:31 EDT 2016


Will,

"Pay to educate the mechanics" is a nicer and optimistic perspective
compared to my term for it.

I have been fortunate enough to root out and befriend the best local talent
for  transmissions, suspension, tuning, and body work. Lots of great talent
out there and they show it for those who appreciate it. Sounds like a bit
like prostitution for non-car folk, eh?

Trouble I have is when they become friends, they don't want to take your
money and don't ever seem to get around to doing any paid work for you
because they are too busy doing billable stuff.

I guess there may be merit to just becoming a crabby ass hole.

God I like a Friday night.
On Mar 25, 2016 1:21 PM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed, except that he already has $73k in receipts, so has already put
> plenty of money into it,
>
> Panteras are exceptional cars for the do-it-yourself crowd.  They are very
> expensive if you have to pay to educate your mechanic.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 25, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jerry's assessment of the situation seems to be better than others.
> Several other emails about the car seem to be conjecture and negative to
> the engine (which probably isn't the problem here).
> >
> > Corey
> >
> >> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  This one sort of got me at "bubbled paint", turbo parts they can't
> >>  figure how to fit and make work, ECU that needs tuning to run correctly
> >>  even without the turbo, mouse fur seat covers, an original engine core
> >>  that needs machining and rebuilding.  Now I am one of the first ones to
> >>  put 60k into a 20k car, but I expect to loose money,  He just hasn't
> >>  put enough money and time into the car yet to make it a 50k car.
> >>  I have done it before and still have a 95 Mustang to prove it.  Just
> >>  not willing to take the loss yet.
> >>  jerry knotts
> >>  On 3/24/2016 11:46 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
> >>
> >>  Collectors do not want alternate engines.
> >>  Those are the folks driving the price increases.
> >>
> >>  50K is dirt cheap for a semi ratty unmolested Pantera, this one wasn't
> >>  ratty, but it was far from original...No Sale.
> >>
> >>  Michael Shortt
> >>
> >>  On Mar 25, 2016 12:31 AM, "Will Kooiman" [1]<[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com
> >
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>    $73K in receipts to a no-sale at $50K.
> >>    I donA^1t see $73K in work done, but I see at least $20K remaining
> >>    to make
> >>    it really nice.
> >>    On 3/24/16, 7:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Thomas"
> >>    [2]<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
> >>    [3]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> A
> >>    A [1][4][3]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A  A Mike
> >>>
> >>> References
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> >>> A  A 1.
> >>    [5][4]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
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> >>  2. [10]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >>  3. [11]mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> >>  4. [12]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
> >>  5. [13]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
> >>  6. [14]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>  7. [15]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> >>  2. mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.comonbehalfof[3]
> mbefthomas at comcast.net
> >>  3. http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
> >>  4. http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
> >>  5. mailto:6]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>  6. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>  7. mailto:8]DeTomaso at poca.com
> >>  8. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >>  9. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
> >> 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> >> 11. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
> >> 12. http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
> >> 13. http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
> >> 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> >> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> >> 17. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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   Will,

   "Pay to educate the mechanics" is a nicer and optimistic perspective
   compared to my term for it.

   I have been fortunate enough to root out and befriend the best local
   talent forA  transmissions, suspension, tuning, and body work. Lots of
   great talent out there and they show it for those who appreciate it.
   Sounds like a bit like prostitution for non-car folk, eh?

   Trouble I have is when they become friends, they don't want to take
   your money and don't ever seem to get around to doing any paid work for
   you because they are too busy doing billable stuff.

   I guess there may be merit to just becoming a crabby ass hole.

   God I like a Friday night.

   On Mar 25, 2016 1:21 PM, "Will Kooiman" <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     Agreed, except that he already has $73k in receipts, so has already
     put plenty of money into it,
     Panteras are exceptional cars for the do-it-yourself crowd.A  They
     are very expensive if you have to pay to educate your mechanic.
     Sent from my iPhone
     > On Mar 25, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Corey Price
     <[2]coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     > Jerry's assessment of the situation seems to be better than
     others. Several other emails about the car seem to be conjecture and
     negative to the engine (which probably isn't the problem here).
     >
     > Corey
     >
     >> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Jerry Knotts
     <[3]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote:
     >>
     >>A  This one sort of got me at "bubbled paint", turbo parts they
     can't
     >>A  figure how to fit and make work, ECU that needs tuning to run
     correctly
     >>A  even without the turbo, mouse fur seat covers, an original
     engine core
     >>A  that needs machining and rebuilding.A  Now I am one of the
     first ones to
     >>A  put 60k into a 20k car, but I expect to loose money,A  He just
     hasn't
     >>A  put enough money and time into the car yet to make it a 50k
     car.
     >>A  I have done it before and still have a 95 Mustang to prove
     it.A  Just
     >>A  not willing to take the loss yet.
     >>A  jerry knotts
     >>A  On 3/24/2016 11:46 PM, Michael Shortt wrote:
     >>
     >>A  Collectors do not want alternate engines.
     >>A  Those are the folks driving the price increases.
     >>
     >>A  50K is dirt cheap for a semi ratty unmolested Pantera, this one
     wasn't
     >>A  ratty, but it was far from original...No Sale.
     >>
     >>A  Michael Shortt
     >>
     >>A  On Mar 25, 2016 12:31 AM, "Will Kooiman"
     [1]<[1][4]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
     >>A  wrote:
     >>
     >>A  A  $73K in receipts to a no-sale at $50K.
     >>A  A  I donA^1t see $73K in work done, but I see at least $20K
     remaining
     >>A  A  to make
     >>A  A  it really nice.
     >>A  A  On 3/24/16, 7:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Thomas"
     >>A  A  [2]<[2][5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
     >>A  A  [3][6]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
     >>> A
     >>A  A  A
     [1][4][3][7]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4
     /
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> AA  A Mike
     >>>
     >>> References
     >>>
     >>> AA  A 1.
     >>A  A
     [5][4][8]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
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     >>A  3. [11]mailto:[15]mbefthomas at comcast.net
     >>A  4.
     [12][16]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
     >>A  5.
     [13][17]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
     >>A  6. [14]mailto:[18]DeTomaso at poca.com
     >>A  7. [15][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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     st.net
     >>A  3.
     [26]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
     >>A  4.
     [27]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
     >>A  5. mailto:[28]6][29]DeTomaso at poca.com
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     >> 11. mailto:[36]mbefthomas at comcast.net
     >> 12. [37]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
     >> 13. [38]http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-detomaso-pantera-4/
     >> 14. mailto:[39]DeTomaso at poca.com
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