[DeTomaso] Rear Window

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Wed Mar 23 23:20:40 EDT 2016


My fundamental issue with a front mounted fan / pusher is that just being
mounted there in the first place, it blocks airflow to the radiator in a
footprint at least as big at the frame, motor and blades and probrably much
more as a result of turbulence.

Michael Shortt
On Mar 23, 2016 10:57 PM, "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:

>    Pushers are fundamentally less efficient - apparently.  Jet indicates
>    that they are 80% as efficient as a puller.  But, heck, if the flow
>    through the condenser drops by 50% at speed, and in fact goes up if the
>    flow is reversed, would likely make up for such a loss of efficiency.
>
>
>    Thank you for your comments.
>
>
>    Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
>    From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
>    Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:41 AM
>    To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
>    Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
>
>
>    I reread my response and my apologies I was not clear in stating
>    that the stock setup is a sucker fan designed to pull external air
>    through the condenser into the engine bay, what you found at Jet is
>    indeed a pusher. Some fans are sold as reversible, but the Jet offering
>    appears to have straight blades and may significantly reduce efficiency
>    wired as a puller.
>
>
>    Julian
>     _____________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: Stephen <[1]steve at snclocks.com>
>    Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:56 AM
>    To: 'Julian Kift'
>    Cc: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
>
>
>    Could you send a picture of your installation?
>
>
>    On fan directions - I guess I am confused - Jet indicates their fan is
>    a 10 inch pusher.  Doesn't that mean it will push air through the
>    radiator, not suck it through?
>
>
>    [3]https://jet.com/product/detail/2aa79945005d4343a7ecd53e0cdd1409?gcli
>    d=CLKtuPnz1csCFUVhfgodUd8LVQ
>
>
>    Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Julian Kift [[4]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
>    Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:07 PM
>    To: Stephen <[5]steve at snclocks.com>; 'Dave' <[6]davel at emspace.com>
>    Cc: [7]detomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
>
>
>    But it's a sucker fan, pulling air into the rear compartment.
>
>
>    Larry stock carries a nice upgrade, it fits the stock 10" shroud
>    diameter perfectly after removing the three mounting tabs for the stock
>    fan (I just installed one last week) and rated at 950cfm.
>
>
>    Julian
>
>
>    ________________________________________
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>    From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Stephen
>    <[9]steve at snclocks.com>
>
>    Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:54 PM
>
>    To: 'Dave'
>
>    Cc: [10]detomaso at poca.com
>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
>
>
>    Hmmm - looks like a 10 inch opening in the original shroud, and Spal
>    makes a low-profile pusher -
>    [11]https://jet.com/product/detail/2aa79945005d4343a7ecd53e0cdd1409?gcl
>    id=CLKtuP
>
>    nz1csCFUVhfgodUd8LVQ  only 2.05 inches thick.  Hmmm.  650 CFM.  Only
>    $58.
>
>
>    Stephen Nelson
>
>
>
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>
>    From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>
>    Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:42 PM
>
>    To: [13]detomaso at poca.com
>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
>
>
>    Or reverse the leads and turn the impeller over.
>
>    (Ok - not helpful)
>
>    dave
>
>
>
>    On 3/22/2016 6:06 PM, Stephen wrote:
>
>    >     Hmmm - reverse the leads on the existing fan or move the
>    condenser to
>
>    >     the front of the car.  Hmmm...
>
>    >
>
>    >
>
>    >     The work I've done suggests reversing air flow would likely be
>    pretty
>
>    >     darned effective, especially at speed.  But, will have to wait
>    for
>
>    >     summer to see if it really does make the a/c colder.
>
>    >
>
>    >
>
>    >     I also suspect it would be interesting to be cruising down the
>
>    > road
>
>    and
>
>    >     s/d the condenser fan - and see if the temperature at the a/c
>    vents
>
>    >     goes up, down or holds.  Absolutely, monitor the temperature -
>    and
>
>    make
>
>    >     sure you don't over pressure your system (an increasing vent
>
>    >     temperature would be a pretty good warning).  But, it would give
>    one a
>
>    >     better idea of the impact of a sucker fan on the condenser.
>
>    >
>
>    >
>
>    >     Fortunately 5332 is still using R12 - I ended up with around 40
>    pounds
>
>    >     of it when the big switch hit.  So, plan to stay on it for all my
>
>    older
>
>    >     cars.  Less risk of hoses going out.
>
>    >
>
>    >
>
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>    >     Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:08 PM
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>    >     To: Stephen <[16]steve at snclocks.com>
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>    >     Cc: Jeff Detrich <[17]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; [18]detomaso at poca.com
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>    >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
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>    >
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>    >
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>    >     You could always move the condenser to the front of the car like
>    many
>
>    >     have done.  I believe this modification is reported to be quite
>
>    >     effective.
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>    >     From: "Stephen" <[5][19]steve at snclocks.com>
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>    >     To: "Jeff Detrich" <[6][20]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
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>    >     Cc: [7][21]detomaso at poca.com
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>    >     Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:54:02 PM
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>    >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
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>    >
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>    >     You are right Jeff - especially because the fan powers from a
>    wire on
>
>    >     the dash-mounted temperature control that is separate from the
>    wire
>
>    >     that powers the a/c compressor clutch.
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>    >     On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Stephen
>    <[16][30]steve at snclocks.com
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>    >     <[31]mailto:steve at snclocks.com> > wrote:
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>    >
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>    >      The positive pressure under the rear of the car when it is
>    moving at
>
>    >        speed, coupled with the likely vacuum behind the car reduces
>    the
>
>    >        efficiency of the a/c condenser fan.  My tests suggest that
>    around
>
>    >     60
>
>    >        mph the air-flow through the condenser is reduced by about
>    40%.  At
>
>    >        around 80 mph it is reduced by over 50%.  While I don't have a
>
>    >     massive
>
>    >        amount of data, what I have suggests that the decrease in flow
>
>    >     through
>
>    >        the condenser is not directly proportional to car speed, and
>    that,
>
>    >     in
>
>    >        the 90 to 100 mph range the flow through the a/c condenser
>    drops to
>
>    >        around nothing.
>
>    >
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>    >
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>    >     Sounds like if you are going to be cruising at very high speeds,
>    just
>
>    >     having a kill switch on the condenser fans would be helpful. That
>
>    would
>
>    >     be easy to wire I would think.
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>    >     Jeff
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   My fundamental issue with a front mounted fan / pusher is that just
   being mounted there in the first place, it blocks airflow to the
   radiator in a footprint at least as big at the frame, motor and blades
   and probrably much more as a result of turbulence.

   Michael Shortt

   On Mar 23, 2016 10:57 PM, "Stephen" <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:

     A  A Pushers are fundamentally less efficient - apparently.A  Jet
     indicates
     A  A that they are 80% as efficient as a puller.A  But, heck, if the
     flow
     A  A through the condenser drops by 50% at speed, and in fact goes
     up if the
     A  A flow is reversed, would likely make up for such a loss of
     efficiency.
     A  A Thank you for your comments.
     A  A Stephen Nelson
     A  A From: Julian Kift [mailto:[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com]
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:41 AM
     A  A To: Stephen <[3]steve at snclocks.com>
     A  A Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
     A  A I reread my response and my apologies I was not clear in
     stating
     A  A that the stock setup is a sucker fan designed to pull external
     air
     A  A through the condenser into the engine bay, what you found at
     Jet is
     A  A indeed a pusher. Some fans are sold as reversible, but the Jet
     offering
     A  A appears to have straight blades and may significantly reduce
     efficiency
     A  A wired as a puller.
     A  A Julian
     A  A
     ____________________________________________________________________
     _
     A  A From: Stephen <[1][5]steve at snclocks.com>
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:56 AM
     A  A To: 'Julian Kift'
     A  A Cc: [2][6]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
     A  A Could you send a picture of your installation?
     A  A On fan directions - I guess I am confused - Jet indicates their
     fan is
     A  A a 10 inch pusher.A  Doesn't that mean it will push air through
     the
     A  A radiator, not suck it through?
     A
     A [3][7]https://jet.com/product/detail/2aa79945005d4343a7ecd53e0cdd1
     409?gcli
     A  A d=CLKtuPnz1csCFUVhfgodUd8LVQ
     A  A Stephen Nelson
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: Julian Kift [[4]mailto:[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com]
     A  A Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:07 PM
     A  A To: Stephen <[5][9]steve at snclocks.com>; 'Dave'
     <[6][10]davel at emspace.com>
     A  A Cc: [7][11]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
     A  A But it's a sucker fan, pulling air into the rear compartment.
     A  A Larry stock carries a nice upgrade, it fits the stock 10"
     shroud
     A  A diameter perfectly after removing the three mounting tabs for
     the stock
     A  A fan (I just installed one last week) and rated at 950cfm.
     A  A Julian
     A  A ________________________________________
     A  A From: DeTomaso <[8][12]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
     Stephen
     A  A <[9][13]steve at snclocks.com>
     A  A Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:54 PM
     A  A To: 'Dave'
     A  A Cc: [10][14]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
     A  A Hmmm - looks like a 10 inch opening in the original shroud, and
     Spal
     A  A makes a low-profile pusher -
     A
     A [11][15]https://jet.com/product/detail/2aa79945005d4343a7ecd53e0cd
     d1409?gcl
     A  A id=CLKtuP
     A  A nz1csCFUVhfgodUd8LVQA  only 2.05 inches thick.A  Hmmm.A  650
     CFM.A  Only
     A  A $58.
     A  A Stephen Nelson
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
     Behalf Of Dave
     A  A Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:42 PM
     A  A To: [13][17]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
     A  A Or reverse the leads and turn the impeller over.
     A  A (Ok - not helpful)
     A  A dave
     A  A On 3/22/2016 6:06 PM, Stephen wrote:
     A  A >A  A  A Hmmm - reverse the leads on the existing fan or move
     the
     A  A condenser to
     A  A >A  A  A the front of the car.A  Hmmm...
     A  A >
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  A The work I've done suggests reversing air flow would
     likely be
     A  A pretty
     A  A >A  A  A darned effective, especially at speed.A  But, will
     have to wait
     A  A for
     A  A >A  A  A summer to see if it really does make the a/c colder.
     A  A >
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  A I also suspect it would be interesting to be cruising
     down the
     A  A > road
     A  A and
     A  A >A  A  A s/d the condenser fan - and see if the temperature at
     the a/c
     A  A vents
     A  A >A  A  A goes up, down or holds.A  Absolutely, monitor the
     temperature -
     A  A and
     A  A make
     A  A >A  A  A sure you don't over pressure your system (an
     increasing vent
     A  A >A  A  A temperature would be a pretty good warning).A  But, it
     would give
     A  A one a
     A  A >A  A  A better idea of the impact of a sucker fan on the
     condenser.
     A  A >
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  A Fortunately 5332 is still using R12 - I ended up with
     around 40
     A  A pounds
     A  A >A  A  A of it when the big switch hit.A  So, plan to stay on
     it for all my
     A  A older
     A  A >A  A  A cars.A  Less risk of hoses going out.
     A  A >
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  A Stephen Nelson
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     A  A >A  A  A Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:08 PM
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     A  A >A  A  A Cc: Jeff Detrich <[17][21]jjdetrich at gmail.com>;
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     A  A >A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
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     A  A >A  A  A You could always move the condenser to the front of
     the car like
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     A  A >A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
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     A  A >A  A  A You are right Jeff - especially because the fan powers
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     A  A >A  A  A Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:10 PM
     A  A >A  A  A To: Stephen <[13][27][31]steve at snclocks.com>
     A  A >A  A  A Cc: [14][28][32]detomaso at poca.com;
     [15][29][33]tjaarda at astranet.it
     A  A >A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window
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     A  A >A  A  A On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Stephen
     A  A <[16][30][34]steve at snclocks.com
     A  A >A  A  A <[31]mailto:[35]steve at snclocks.com> > wrote:
     A  A >
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  A  The positive pressure under the rear of the car when
     it is
     A  A moving at
     A  A >A  A  A  A  speed, coupled with the likely vacuum behind the
     car reduces
     A  A the
     A  A >A  A  A  A  efficiency of the a/c condenser fan.A  My tests
     suggest that
     A  A around
     A  A >A  A  A 60
     A  A >A  A  A  A  mph the air-flow through the condenser is reduced
     by about
     A  A 40%.A  At
     A  A >A  A  A  A  around 80 mph it is reduced by over 50%.A  While I
     don't have a
     A  A >A  A  A massive
     A  A >A  A  A  A  amount of data, what I have suggests that the
     decrease in flow
     A  A >A  A  A through
     A  A >A  A  A  A  the condenser is not directly proportional to car
     speed, and
     A  A that,
     A  A >A  A  A in
     A  A >A  A  A  A  the 90 to 100 mph range the flow through the a/c
     condenser
     A  A drops to
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     A  A >A  A  A Sounds like if you are going to be cruising at very
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     A  A just
     A  A >A  A  A having a kill switch on the condenser fans would be
     helpful. That
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     A  A >A  A  A be easy to wire I would think.
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