[DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
Thomas Upton
tomupton77 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 18 21:18:17 EDT 2016
Excuse me, but you guys are all acting like children. It is a damn car and
a club, nothing else. Who is this guy you are asking. I own three Panteras
and I have no clue what the vin numbers are and don't care. Two are race
cars ( 72) and one is a street car (74). They are interesting cars, but
nothing else. Clubs and friends interested in the same thing are important
and should be valued. Grow up.
On Mar 18, 2016 8:00 PM, "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
> Michael, First, my reply to your post focused strictly on your means,
> not your ends since you established the ZERO tolerance for being rude.
> I suggested you're blind to your own behavior.
> Second, I learned years ago to fact check before stating someone hasn't
> "volunteered to do ANYTHING." No worries.....I won't send you anymore
> emails. Best to you. Scott
>
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> You gentlemen are entitled to your opinion.
> Meanwhile, everybody else seems to like the direction that the club is
> taking
> and if it takes leadership with a purpose to accomplish more progress,
> I intend on delivering it.
> The BOD meetings are for business purposes, perhaps your professional
> meeting experience is limited,
> there is no time for cross talk, beating a subject to death or telling
> stories about the old days.
> My goal remains to go through the loaded agenda as fast as I can,
> listen to everybody who needs to speak
> while restoring a business like atmosphere to the proceedings.
> Since this BOD has taken office, we have accomplished more in 3 months
> than the last few
> BODs have done collectively in years.
> There are no more rumors of financial fraud, no rumors of any kind.
> Bob Reid has done a superb job and I have the third paty CPA
> verification to prove it.
> For the first time is years and years, there were financials printed in
> the newsletter.
> We have not only had actual monthly BOD meetings, we invite others to
> listen and to even listen to a recording.
> I have personally made it a point to have monthly telephone calls with
> Chapter Presidents, in fact, on Wednesday
> night, I had to do it twice for two different groups, that made 4 four
> Cleveland Block meetings this year, 3 BOD meetings
> and March isn't even open.
> Ther newsletter is going digital, we will soon use those savings to
> make the new website
> much, much better once the bugs are worked out on the back end
> features,
> The public portion worked perfectly in our one day test of the new
> website.
> Strange that neither of you has volunteered to do ANYTHING.
> I put in 10-20 hours a week on POCA business, just like now, responding
> to your hate mail.
> I have received no less than 30 emails telling me how much better
> people like what is happening.
> I am very proud of this BOD, despite our rough start, we are making
> progress,
> we are growing the club each and every month, Judy gleefully tells us
> each month how many new members we have.
> The Bylaws are being reviewed, the newsletter and profiles look better
> than ever and are being produced and produced on time.
> We have excellent minutes of our meeting, advertising will soon start
> to add to the coffers and allow even more improvements.
> The 2016 Fun Rally has effective new leadership and they have a plan in
> place, thus far, it appears that attendance will be
> at a record level in both people and cars.
> John Buckman and Mike Burnnett provide invaulable guidance to me.
> We are bringing in entire new model groups as new chapters and
> expanding the club all over the world with Intl Chapters.
> If you are unhappy with my leadership, please run against me at the
> next opportunity,
> meanwhile, if you want to criticize from out in the field, please do,
> but know that your opinion's worth
> has direct coorleation to your contributions to making things better.
> What have you done lately?
> Michael Shortt
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:40 AM, <[2]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Scott: Well said, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso wrote:
>
> If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I suggest
> you take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last two BOD
> calls, and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD members. I
> also find it offensive to suggest members that don't agree with you
> should not renew their membership because you've got "new members
> coming in monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your
> "plethora of IT experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying members
> in your own name" both seemed to me were clearly intended to be
> rude!
> Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm working hard
> to grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like that
> you're offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email and this
> forum post isn't helping.
>
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt
> <[3]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> As some of you have experienced, we tested the new website today.
> while much of it worked great ( the public accessible sections) ,
> some,
> if not most of the backend features did not work
> as planned.
> The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened, now we
> know.
> The right people are now involved and working to correct the
> issues.
> There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will be
> available
> only by a link to the old records.
> the new forum is not done the same and the old information can not
> be
> moved over.
> The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the change,
> if for
> no other reason than
> security which was once again violated this month and had shut
> down 1/3
> - 1/2 of the list.
> I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help with the
> transition, nobody stepped up,
> now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts, where have
> you
> been?
> We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love to involve
> more
> people
> and assign them specific pages within the site to manage, this
> would
> certainly be a better way
> of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of people to
> do
> everything.
> To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find areas
> than
> needed help.
> If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members in your
> own
> name, A thanks
> to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.
> Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your behalf, ZERO
> tolerance will be givenA
> to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the success of
> this
> club, we simply do not need you.
> Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated, toiled, and
> worked
> hard for years.
> POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with nastiness,
> Some
> leaders and workers have justA
> shut down and just not communicated with the membership at all
> because
> frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A
> Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to put the
> club
> first,
> to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA experience
> great
> for everybody,
> Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was completed in a
> day
> and I know these improvements will come
> more slowly than we want.A I also know that once they are
> released,
> massaged and worked on, it will be a far better
> website experience.
> If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is always a
> choice.
> We have new members coming in monthly who seem
> to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress into a
> brighter
> future.
> Michael Shortt
> --
> Michael L. Shortt
> Savannah, Georgia
> [1][4]www.michaelshortt.com
> [2][5]michael at michaelshortt.com
> [6]912-232-9390
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Excuse me, but you guys are all acting like children. It is a damn car
and a club, nothing else. Who is this guy you are asking. I own three
Panteras and I have no clue what the vin numbers are and don't care.
Two are race cars ( 72) and one is a street car (74). They are
interesting cars, but nothing else. Clubs and friends interested in the
same thing are important and should be valued. Grow up.
On Mar 18, 2016 8:00 PM, "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso"
<[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A Michael, First, my reply to your post focused strictly on your
means,
A A not your ends since you established the ZERO tolerance for
being rude.
A A I suggested you're blind to your own behavior.
A A Second, I learned years ago to fact check before stating
someone hasn't
A A "volunteered to do ANYTHING." No worries.....I won't send you
anymore
A A emails. Best to you. Scott
A A On Mar 18, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Michael Shortt
<[1][2]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A You gentlemen are entitled to your opinion.
A A Meanwhile, everybody else seems to like the direction that the
club is
A A taking
A A and if it takes leadership with a purpose to accomplish more
progress,
A A I intend on delivering it.
A A The BOD meetings are for business purposes, perhaps your
professional
A A meeting experience is limited,
A A there is no time for cross talk, beating a subject to death or
telling
A A stories about the old days.
A A My goal remains to go through the loaded agenda as fast as I
can,
A A listen to everybody who needs to speak
A A while restoring a business like atmosphere to the proceedings.
A A Since this BOD has taken office, we have accomplished more in 3
months
A A than the last few
A A BODs have done collectively in years.
A A There are no more rumors of financial fraud, no rumors of any
kind.
A A Bob Reid has done a superb job and I have the third paty CPA
A A verification to prove it.
A A For the first time is years and years, there were financials
printed in
A A the newsletter.
A A We have not only had actual monthly BOD meetings, we invite
others to
A A listen and to even listen to a recording.
A A I have personally made it a point to have monthly telephone
calls with
A A Chapter Presidents, in fact, on Wednesday
A A night, I had to do it twice for two different groups, that made
4 four
A A Cleveland Block meetings this year, 3 BOD meetings
A A and March isn't even open.
A A Ther newsletter is going digital, we will soon use those
savings to
A A make the new website
A A much, much better once the bugs are worked out on the back end
A A features,
A A The public portion worked perfectly in our one day test of the
new
A A website.
A A Strange that neither of you has volunteered to do ANYTHING.
A A I put in 10-20 hours a week on POCA business, just like now,
responding
A A to your hate mail.
A A I have received no less than 30 emails telling me how much
better
A A people like what is happening.
A A I am very proud of this BOD, despite our rough start, we are
making
A A progress,
A A we are growing the club each and every month, Judy gleefully
tells us
A A each month how many new members we have.
A A The Bylaws are being reviewed, the newsletter and profiles look
better
A A than ever and are being produced and produced on time.
A A We have excellent minutes of our meeting, advertising will soon
start
A A to add to the coffers and allow even more improvements.
A A The 2016 Fun Rally has effective new leadership and they have a
plan in
A A place, thus far, it appears that attendance will be
A A at a record level in both people and cars.
A A John Buckman and Mike Burnnett provide invaulable guidance to
me.
A A We are bringing in entire new model groups as new chapters and
A A expanding the club all over the world with Intl Chapters.
A A If you are unhappy with my leadership, please run against me at
the
A A next opportunity,
A A meanwhile, if you want to criticize from out in the field,
please do,
A A but know that your opinion's worth
A A has direct coorleation to your contributions to making things
better.
A A What have you done lately?
A A Michael Shortt
A A On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:40 AM, <[2][3]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
A A A Dear Scott:A A Well said, sir.A A Warmest regards,A Chuck
Engles
A A On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
wrote:
A A A If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I
suggest
A A A you take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last
two BOD
A A A calls, and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD
members. I
A A A also find it offensive to suggest members that don't agree
with you
A A A should not renew their membership because you've got "new
members
A A A coming in monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your
A A A "plethora of IT experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying
members
A A A in your own name" both seemed to me were clearly intended to
be
A A A rude!
A A A Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm
working hard
A A A to grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like
that
A A A you're offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email
and this
A A A forum post isn't helping.
A A A On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt
A A A <[3][4]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A A Greetings,
A A A A As some of you have experienced, we tested the new
website today.
A A A A while much of it worked great ( the public accessible
sections) ,
A A A some,
A A A A if not most of the backend features did not work
A A A A as planned.
A A A A The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened,
now we
A A A know.
A A A A The right people are now involved and working to correct
the
A A A issues.
A A A A There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will
be
A A A available
A A A A only by a link to the old records.
A A A A the new forum is not done the same and the old
information can not
A A A be
A A A A moved over.
A A A A The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the
change,
A A A if for
A A A A no other reason than
A A A A security which was once again violated this month and had
shut
A A A down 1/3
A A A A - 1/2 of the list.
A A A A I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help
with the
A A A A transition, nobody stepped up,
A A A A now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts,
where have
A A A you
A A A A been?
A A A A We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love
to involve
A A A more
A A A A people
A A A A and assign them specific pages within the site to manage,
this
A A A would
A A A A certainly be a better way
A A A A of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of
people to
A A A do
A A A A everything.
A A A A To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find
areas
A A A than
A A A A needed help.
A A A A If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members
in your
A A A own
A A A A name, A thanks
A A A A to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.
A A A A Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your
behalf, ZERO
A A A A tolerance will be givenA
A A A A to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the
success of
A A A this
A A A A club, we simply do not need you.
A A A A Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated,
toiled, and
A A A worked
A A A A hard for years.
A A A A POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with
nastiness,
A A A Some
A A A A leaders and workers have justA
A A A A shut down and just not communicated with the membership
at all
A A A because
A A A A frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A
A A A A Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to
put the
A A A club
A A A A first,
A A A A to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA
experience
A A A great
A A A A for everybody,
A A A A Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was
completed in a
A A A day
A A A A and I know these improvements will come
A A A A more slowly than we want.AA I also know that once they
are
A A A released,
A A A A massaged and worked on, it will be a far better
A A A A website experience.
A A A A If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is
always a
A A A choice.
A A A A We have new members coming in monthly who seem
A A A A to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress
into a
A A A brighter
A A A A future.
A A A A Michael Shortt
A A A A --
A A A A Michael L. Shortt
A A A A Savannah, Georgia
A A A A [1][4][5]www.michaelshortt.com
A A A A [2][5][6]michael at michaelshortt.com
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A A A A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
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A A A A privileged.AA If you are not the intended recipient, you
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A A A A notified
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A A A A communication is strictly prohibited.AA Please reply to
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A A A that
A A A A you
A A A A have received this message in error, then delete it.AA
Thank you
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