[DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum

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Fri Mar 18 15:37:20 EDT 2016


As an append to Steven's last post, there are a surprising number of POCA members who retained their membership AFTER selling their cars, apparently for the camaraderie this Club has. One is now entering 10 yrs since he last drove a Pantera while a few others joined years ago to look for 'their" car. Hasn't happened for all- probably due to the recent price run-up but IMHO this is the smart way to research an orphan auto.

Some on this Forum should also be reminded that NOTHING posted on the Web EVER goes away- it stays out there available for all to see, forever. Regardless of 'private message' etc.  In a few minutes of using Google, I've pulled up comments done prior to year 2000. Please think about this before posting.
 

 J DeRyke

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
To: cengles <cengles at cox.net>; scottcouchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 7:46 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum

The hardest thing, for some folks (or perhaps for all of us), is to see
   the world through another's eyes.  A simple example is the folks who
   really want to run their cars on a track.  I don't sense a lot of
   understanding that there might be some who really don't want to run
   their cars on a track.  Or perhaps those who don't feel a printed
   version of the POCA publications is worth the effort.


   They forget there are perhaps others who really like getting the
   printed version and who will never run their cars on a track.


   Heck.  There are times, I suspect, that most of us actually forget we
   don't, in fact, know it all.


   The challenge for POCA is providing value to both the newbies who have
   no clue how to find answers to their myriad questions while retaining
   value for those who are at a point that they are innovating and finding
   better ways of making these cars great. Either end of the spectrum can
   get pissed off by cavalier negative comments.


   Oh, and POCA also has to keep the unwashed masses that just love the
   cars interested enough to pay their dues.


   My thoughts on a glorious spring morning!


   Stephen Nelson



   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   cengles at cox.net
   Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:40 AM
   To: scottcouchman at yahoo.com
   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum


   Dear Scott:   Well said, sir.   Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles






   On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso wrote:


   > If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I suggest
   you

   > take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last two BOD
   calls,

   > and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD members. I also find

   > it offensive to suggest members that don't agree with you should not

   > renew their membership because you've got "new members coming in

   > monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your "plethora of IT

   > experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying members in your own name"

   > both seemed to me were clearly intended to be rude!

   > Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm working hard
   to

   > grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like that you're

   > offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email and this forum

   > post isn't helping.

   >

   >

   >> On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt
   <[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com>

   >> wrote:

   >>

   >>   Greetings,

   >>   As some of you have experienced, we tested the new website today.

   >>   while much of it worked great ( the public accessible sections) ,

   >> some,

   >>   if not most of the backend features did not work

   >>   as planned.

   >>   The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened, now we

   >> know.

   >>   The right people are now involved and working to correct the

   >> issues.

   >>   There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will be

   >> available

   >>   only by a link to the old records.

   >>   the new forum is not done the same and the old information can not

   >> be

   >>   moved over.

   >>   The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the change,
   if

   >> for

   >>   no other reason than

   >>   security which was once again violated this month and had shut
   down

 >> 1/3

   >>   - 1/2 of the list.

   >>   I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help with the

   >>   transition, nobody stepped up,

   >>   now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts, where have

   >> you

   >>   been?

   >>   We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love to involve

   >> more

   >>   people

   >>   and assign them specific pages within the site to manage, this

   >> would

   >>   certainly be a better way

   >>   of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of people to

   >> do

   >>   everything.

   >>   To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find areas
   than

   >>   needed help.

   >>   If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members in your

   >> own

   >>   name, A thanks

   >>   to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.

   >>   Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your behalf, ZERO

   >>   tolerance will be givenA

   >>   to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the success of

   >> this

   >>   club, we simply do not need you.

   >>   Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated, toiled, and

   >> worked

   >>   hard for years.

   >>   POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with nastiness,

   >> Some

   >>   leaders and workers have justA

   >>   shut down and just not communicated with the membership at all

   >> because

   >>   frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A

   >>   Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to put the

   >> club

   >>   first,

   >>   to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA experience

   >> great

   >>   for everybody,

   >>   Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was completed in a

   >> day

   >>   and I know these improvements will come

   >>   more slowly than we want.A  I also know that once they are

   >> released,

   >>   massaged and worked on, it will be a far better

   >>   website experience.

   >>   If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is always a

   >> choice.

   >>   We have new members coming in monthly who seem

   >>   to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress into a

   >> brighter

   >>   future.

  >>   Michael Shortt

   >>   --

   >>   Michael L. Shortt

   >>   Savannah, Georgia

   >>   [1][2]www.michaelshortt.com

   >>   [2][3]michael at michaelshortt.com

   >>   912-232-9390

   >>   A

   >>   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy

   >>   Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally

   >>   privileged.A  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby

   >> notified

   >>   that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this

   >>   communication is strictly prohibited.A  Please reply to the sender

   >> that

   >>   you

   >>   have received this message in error, then delete it.A  Thank you

   >>

   >> References

   >>

   >>   1. [4]http://www.michaelshortt.com/

   >>   2. [5]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com

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   As an append to Steven's last post, there are a surprising number of
   POCA members who retained their membership AFTER selling their cars,
   apparently for the camaraderie this Club has. One is now entering 10
   yrs since he last drove a Pantera while a few others joined years ago
   to look for 'their" car. Hasn't happened for all- probably due to the
   recent price run-up but IMHO this is the smart way to research an
   orphan auto.
   Some on this Forum should also be reminded that NOTHING posted on the
   Web EVER goes away- it stays out there available for all to see,
   forever. Regardless of 'private message' etc.  In a few minutes of
   using Google, I've pulled up comments done prior to year 2000. Please
   think about this before posting.

   J DeRyke

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
   To: cengles <cengles at cox.net>; scottcouchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
   Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 7:46 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
   The hardest thing, for some folks (or perhaps for all of us), is to see
   the world through another's eyes. A simple example is the folks who
   really want to run their cars on a track. I don't sense a lot of
   understanding that there might be some who really don't want to run
   their cars on a track. Or perhaps those who don't feel a printed
   version of the POCA publications is worth the effort.
   They forget there are perhaps others who really like getting the
   printed version and who will never run their cars on a track.
   Heck. There are times, I suspect, that most of us actually forget we
   don't, in fact, know it all.
   The challenge for POCA is providing value to both the newbies who have
   no clue how to find answers to their myriad questions while retaining
   value for those who are at a point that they are innovating and finding
   better ways of making these cars great. Either end of the spectrum can
   get pissed off by cavalier negative comments.
   Oh, and POCA also has to keep the unwashed masses that just love the
   cars interested enough to pay their dues.
   My thoughts on a glorious spring morning!
   Stephen Nelson
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   [2]cengles at cox.net
   Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:40 AM
   To: [3]scottcouchman at yahoo.com
   Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
   Dear Scott: Well said, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
   On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso wrote:
   > If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I suggest
   you
   > take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last two BOD
   calls,
   > and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD members. I also find
   > it offensive to suggest members that don't agree with you should not
   > renew their membership because you've got "new members coming in
   > monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your "plethora of IT
   > experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying members in your own name"
   > both seemed to me were clearly intended to be rude!
   > Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm working hard
   to
   > grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like that you're
   > offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email and this forum
   > post isn't helping.
   >
   >
   >> On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt
   <[1][5]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
   >> wrote:
   >>
   >> Greetings,
   >> As some of you have experienced, we tested the new website today.
   >> while much of it worked great ( the public accessible sections) ,
   >> some,
   >> if not most of the backend features did not work
   >> as planned.
   >> The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened, now we
   >> know.
   >> The right people are now involved and working to correct the
   >> issues.
   >> There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will be
   >> available
   >> only by a link to the old records.
   >> the new forum is not done the same and the old information can not
   >> be
   >> moved over.
   >> The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the change,
   if
   >> for
   >> no other reason than
   >> security which was once again violated this month and had shut
   down
   >> 1/3
   >> - 1/2 of the list.
   >> I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help with the
   >> transition, nobody stepped up,
   >> now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts, where have
   >> you
   >> been?
   >> We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love to involve
   >> more
   >> people
   >> and assign them specific pages within the site to manage, this
   >> would
   >> certainly be a better way
   >> of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of people to
   >> do
   >> everything.
   >> To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find areas
   than
   >> needed help.
   >> If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members in your
   >> own
   >> name, A thanks
   >> to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.
   >> Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your behalf, ZERO
   >> tolerance will be givenA
   >> to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the success of
   >> this
   >> club, we simply do not need you.
   >> Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated, toiled, and
   >> worked
   >> hard for years.
   >> POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with nastiness,
   >> Some
   >> leaders and workers have justA
   >> shut down and just not communicated with the membership at all
   >> because
   >> frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A
   >> Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to put the
   >> club
   >> first,
   >> to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA experience
   >> great
   >> for everybody,
   >> Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was completed in a
   >> day
   >> and I know these improvements will come
   >> more slowly than we want.A I also know that once they are
   >> released,
   >> massaged and worked on, it will be a far better
   >> website experience.
   >> If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is always a
   >> choice.
   >> We have new members coming in monthly who seem
   >> to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress into a
   >> brighter
   >> future.
   >> Michael Shortt
   >> --
   >> Michael L. Shortt
   >> Savannah, Georgia
   >> [1][2][6]www.michaelshortt.com
   >> [2][3][7]michael at michaelshortt.com
   >> 912-232-9390
   >> A
   >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
   >> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby
   >> notified
   >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
   >> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender
   >> that
   >> you
   >> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >> 1. [4][8]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   >> 2. [5][9]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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   4. [19]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   5. [20]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   6. [21]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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   4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   5. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
   6. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   7. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
   8. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
   9. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com?
  10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  11. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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  16. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com?
  17. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
  18. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com?
  19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
  20. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com?
  21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
  22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com?
  24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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