[DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
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Fri Mar 18 15:37:20 EDT 2016
As an append to Steven's last post, there are a surprising number of POCA members who retained their membership AFTER selling their cars, apparently for the camaraderie this Club has. One is now entering 10 yrs since he last drove a Pantera while a few others joined years ago to look for 'their" car. Hasn't happened for all- probably due to the recent price run-up but IMHO this is the smart way to research an orphan auto.
Some on this Forum should also be reminded that NOTHING posted on the Web EVER goes away- it stays out there available for all to see, forever. Regardless of 'private message' etc. In a few minutes of using Google, I've pulled up comments done prior to year 2000. Please think about this before posting.
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
To: cengles <cengles at cox.net>; scottcouchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 7:46 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
The hardest thing, for some folks (or perhaps for all of us), is to see
the world through another's eyes. A simple example is the folks who
really want to run their cars on a track. I don't sense a lot of
understanding that there might be some who really don't want to run
their cars on a track. Or perhaps those who don't feel a printed
version of the POCA publications is worth the effort.
They forget there are perhaps others who really like getting the
printed version and who will never run their cars on a track.
Heck. There are times, I suspect, that most of us actually forget we
don't, in fact, know it all.
The challenge for POCA is providing value to both the newbies who have
no clue how to find answers to their myriad questions while retaining
value for those who are at a point that they are innovating and finding
better ways of making these cars great. Either end of the spectrum can
get pissed off by cavalier negative comments.
Oh, and POCA also has to keep the unwashed masses that just love the
cars interested enough to pay their dues.
My thoughts on a glorious spring morning!
Stephen Nelson
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
cengles at cox.net
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:40 AM
To: scottcouchman at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
Dear Scott: Well said, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso wrote:
> If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I suggest
you
> take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last two BOD
calls,
> and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD members. I also find
> it offensive to suggest members that don't agree with you should not
> renew their membership because you've got "new members coming in
> monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your "plethora of IT
> experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying members in your own name"
> both seemed to me were clearly intended to be rude!
> Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm working hard
to
> grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like that you're
> offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email and this forum
> post isn't helping.
>
>
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt
<[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>> As some of you have experienced, we tested the new website today.
>> while much of it worked great ( the public accessible sections) ,
>> some,
>> if not most of the backend features did not work
>> as planned.
>> The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened, now we
>> know.
>> The right people are now involved and working to correct the
>> issues.
>> There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will be
>> available
>> only by a link to the old records.
>> the new forum is not done the same and the old information can not
>> be
>> moved over.
>> The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the change,
if
>> for
>> no other reason than
>> security which was once again violated this month and had shut
down
>> 1/3
>> - 1/2 of the list.
>> I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help with the
>> transition, nobody stepped up,
>> now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts, where have
>> you
>> been?
>> We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love to involve
>> more
>> people
>> and assign them specific pages within the site to manage, this
>> would
>> certainly be a better way
>> of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of people to
>> do
>> everything.
>> To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find areas
than
>> needed help.
>> If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members in your
>> own
>> name, A thanks
>> to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.
>> Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your behalf, ZERO
>> tolerance will be givenA
>> to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the success of
>> this
>> club, we simply do not need you.
>> Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated, toiled, and
>> worked
>> hard for years.
>> POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with nastiness,
>> Some
>> leaders and workers have justA
>> shut down and just not communicated with the membership at all
>> because
>> frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A
>> Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to put the
>> club
>> first,
>> to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA experience
>> great
>> for everybody,
>> Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was completed in a
>> day
>> and I know these improvements will come
>> more slowly than we want.A I also know that once they are
>> released,
>> massaged and worked on, it will be a far better
>> website experience.
>> If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is always a
>> choice.
>> We have new members coming in monthly who seem
>> to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress into a
>> brighter
>> future.
>> Michael Shortt
>> --
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> [1][2]www.michaelshortt.com
>> [2][3]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>> A
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby
>> notified
>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender
>> that
>> you
>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
>>
>> References
>>
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>> 2. [5]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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As an append to Steven's last post, there are a surprising number of
POCA members who retained their membership AFTER selling their cars,
apparently for the camaraderie this Club has. One is now entering 10
yrs since he last drove a Pantera while a few others joined years ago
to look for 'their" car. Hasn't happened for all- probably due to the
recent price run-up but IMHO this is the smart way to research an
orphan auto.
Some on this Forum should also be reminded that NOTHING posted on the
Web EVER goes away- it stays out there available for all to see,
forever. Regardless of 'private message' etc. In a few minutes of
using Google, I've pulled up comments done prior to year 2000. Please
think about this before posting.
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
To: cengles <cengles at cox.net>; scottcouchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 7:46 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
The hardest thing, for some folks (or perhaps for all of us), is to see
the world through another's eyes. A simple example is the folks who
really want to run their cars on a track. I don't sense a lot of
understanding that there might be some who really don't want to run
their cars on a track. Or perhaps those who don't feel a printed
version of the POCA publications is worth the effort.
They forget there are perhaps others who really like getting the
printed version and who will never run their cars on a track.
Heck. There are times, I suspect, that most of us actually forget we
don't, in fact, know it all.
The challenge for POCA is providing value to both the newbies who have
no clue how to find answers to their myriad questions while retaining
value for those who are at a point that they are innovating and finding
better ways of making these cars great. Either end of the spectrum can
get pissed off by cavalier negative comments.
Oh, and POCA also has to keep the unwashed masses that just love the
cars interested enough to pay their dues.
My thoughts on a glorious spring morning!
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
[2]cengles at cox.net
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:40 AM
To: [3]scottcouchman at yahoo.com
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
Dear Scott: Well said, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso wrote:
> If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I suggest
you
> take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last two BOD
calls,
> and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD members. I also find
> it offensive to suggest members that don't agree with you should not
> renew their membership because you've got "new members coming in
> monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your "plethora of IT
> experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying members in your own name"
> both seemed to me were clearly intended to be rude!
> Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm working hard
to
> grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like that you're
> offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email and this forum
> post isn't helping.
>
>
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt
<[1][5]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>> As some of you have experienced, we tested the new website today.
>> while much of it worked great ( the public accessible sections) ,
>> some,
>> if not most of the backend features did not work
>> as planned.
>> The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened, now we
>> know.
>> The right people are now involved and working to correct the
>> issues.
>> There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will be
>> available
>> only by a link to the old records.
>> the new forum is not done the same and the old information can not
>> be
>> moved over.
>> The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the change,
if
>> for
>> no other reason than
>> security which was once again violated this month and had shut
down
>> 1/3
>> - 1/2 of the list.
>> I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help with the
>> transition, nobody stepped up,
>> now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts, where have
>> you
>> been?
>> We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love to involve
>> more
>> people
>> and assign them specific pages within the site to manage, this
>> would
>> certainly be a better way
>> of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of people to
>> do
>> everything.
>> To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find areas
than
>> needed help.
>> If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members in your
>> own
>> name, A thanks
>> to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.
>> Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your behalf, ZERO
>> tolerance will be givenA
>> to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the success of
>> this
>> club, we simply do not need you.
>> Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated, toiled, and
>> worked
>> hard for years.
>> POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with nastiness,
>> Some
>> leaders and workers have justA
>> shut down and just not communicated with the membership at all
>> because
>> frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A
>> Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to put the
>> club
>> first,
>> to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA experience
>> great
>> for everybody,
>> Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was completed in a
>> day
>> and I know these improvements will come
>> more slowly than we want.A I also know that once they are
>> released,
>> massaged and worked on, it will be a far better
>> website experience.
>> If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is always a
>> choice.
>> We have new members coming in monthly who seem
>> to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress into a
>> brighter
>> future.
>> Michael Shortt
>> --
>> Michael L. Shortt
>> Savannah, Georgia
>> [1][2][6]www.michaelshortt.com
>> [2][3][7]michael at michaelshortt.com
>> 912-232-9390
>> A
>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby
>> notified
>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the sender
>> that
>> you
>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
>>
>> References
>>
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>> 2. [5][9]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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