[DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
Stephen
steve at snclocks.com
Fri Mar 18 12:40:36 EDT 2016
My training comes from a retired railroad watch inspector, the folks who used to keep the trains on time. His focus was on techniques that are now used only on top-end Swiss timepieces – in fact, a Swiss certified instructor sat through one of my educational lectures and told me that he would change nothing in my approach to restoring clock pivots.
My horological writing focuses on making repair folks aware of the techniques that were much more common-place back in the late 1800’s. Thing is, the clocks I restore and sell were made by clock-makers taught by Swiss-trained watchmakers. Hence prices for some of my nicer pieces that are comparable to a good to great condition Pantera.
So, yes, trained to do watch restorations, but don’t - the return from my clock business is way too good to allow me to do watch work, which really doesn’t price out all that high.
Attached is a shot of the clock workshop – hard to see, but includes 3 watchmakers lathes, a couple of watchmakers milling machines and lots of microscopes.
Stephen Nelson
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From: Michael Shortt [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 9:26 AM
To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
Cc: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>; Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
I liked your rear glass post, i can't imagine anybody being nasty over anybody trying to help.
Clearly, you understand how that feels.
Michael
Do you also work on watches?, another weakness of mine.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com> > wrote:
OK - wasn't meaning my note to be nearly as controversial as it apparently was. But, in response to Mike's question, what have I done. Not much. I sent in 2 articles for the newsletter back in 2014. I have also posted a few ideas on this forum. I also have pictures for 3 more articles from things I did while going through 5332.
Why don't I finish the articles, or post more to this forum. Because, frankly, as you point out, there is a lot more negative commentary than positive. I will be very curious to see how the post I just put out there is received. Granted, all of us do not have your experience. We can't help that. But, I can assure you that all of us are doing what we can with the little god gave us.
For myself, my main focus in life is not my Pantera. It's clocks. In that world I have had over 30 peer-reviewed technical articles published. Chem eng, 6 patents, 30 years' experience - sure, I make mistakes, lots of them, but it's how I am told that I am a dumb shit that really matters.
Bottom line, each of us will get more out of life by being positive, even when someone gives us "constructive" criticism. I learned that from when I was still gettin performance reviews.
Stephen Nelson
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To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net <mailto:cengles at cox.net> >; Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com <mailto:scottcouchman at yahoo.com> >; detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
You gentlemen are entitled to your opinion.
Meanwhile, everybody else seems to like the direction that the club is taking
and if it takes leadership with a purpose to accomplish more progress, I intend on delivering it.
The BOD meetings are for business purposes, perhaps your professional meeting experience is limited,
there is no time for cross talk, beating a subject to death or telling stories about the old days.
My goal remains to go through the loaded agenda as fast as I can, listen to everybody who needs to speak
while restoring a business like atmosphere to the proceedings.
Since this BOD has taken office, we have accomplished more in 3 months than the last few
BODs have done collectively in years.
There are no more rumors of financial fraud, no rumors of any kind.
Bob Reid has done a superb job and I have the third paty CPA verification to prove it.
For the first time is years and years, there were financials printed in the newsletter.
We have not only had actual monthly BOD meetings, we invite others to listen and to even listen to a recording.
I have personally made it a point to have monthly telephone calls with Chapter Presidents, in fact, on Wednesday night, I had to do it twice for two different groups, that made 4 four Cleveland Block meetings this year, 3 BOD meetings and March isn't even open.
Ther newsletter is going digital, we will soon use those savings to make the new website
much, much better once the bugs are worked out on the back end features,
The public portion worked perfectly in our one day test of the new website.
Strange that neither of you has volunteered to do ANYTHING.
I put in 10-20 hours a week on POCA business, just like now, responding to your hate mail.
I have received no less than 30 emails telling me how much better people like what is happening.
I am very proud of this BOD, despite our rough start, we are making progress,
we are growing the club each and every month, Judy gleefully tells us each month how many new members we have.
The Bylaws are being reviewed, the newsletter and profiles look better than ever and are being produced and produced on time.
We have excellent minutes of our meeting, advertising will soon start to add to the coffers and allow even more improvements.
The 2016 Fun Rally has effective new leadership and they have a plan in place, thus far, it appears that attendance will be
at a record level in both people and cars.
John Buckman and Mike Burnnett provide invaulable guidance to me.
We are bringing in entire new model groups as new chapters and expanding the club all over the world with Intl Chapters.
If you are unhappy with my leadership, please run against me at the next opportunity,
meanwhile, if you want to criticize from out in the field, please do, but know that your opinion's worth
has direct coorleation to your contributions to making things better. What have you done lately?
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:40 AM, < <mailto:cengles at cox.net> cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Scott: Well said, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso wrote:
>
> If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I suggest you
>> take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last two BOD
>> calls, and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD members. I
>> also find it offensive to suggest members that don't agree with you
>> should not renew their membership because you've got "new members
>> coming in monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your "plethora
>> of IT experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying members in your own
>> name" both seemed to me were clearly intended to be rude!
>> Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm working hard
>> to grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like that
>> you're offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email and this
>> forum post isn't helping.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt < <mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com> michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> As some of you have experienced, we tested the new website today.
>>> while much of it worked great ( the public accessible sections) , some,
>>> if not most of the backend features did not work
>>> as planned.
>>> The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened, now we know.
>>> The right people are now involved and working to correct the issues.
>>> There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will be available
>>> only by a link to the old records.
>>> the new forum is not done the same and the old information can not be
>>> moved over.
>>> The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the change, if for
>>> no other reason than
>>> security which was once again violated this month and had shut down 1/3
>>> - 1/2 of the list.
>>> I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help with the
>>> transition, nobody stepped up,
>>> now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts, where have you
>>> been?
>>> We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love to involve more
>>> people
>>> and assign them specific pages within the site to manage, this would
>>> certainly be a better way
>>> of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of people to do
>>> everything.
>>> To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find areas than
>>> needed help.
>>> If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members in your own
>>> name, A thanks
>>> to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.
>>> Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your behalf, ZERO
>>> tolerance will be givenA
>>> to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the success of this
>>> club, we simply do not need you.
>>> Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated, toiled, and worked
>>> hard for years.
>>> POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with nastiness, Some
>>> leaders and workers have justA
>>> shut down and just not communicated with the membership at all because
>>> frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A
>>> Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to put the club
>>> first,
>>> to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA experience great
>>> for everybody,
>>> Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was completed in a day
>>> and I know these improvements will come
>>> more slowly than we want.A I also know that once they are released,
>>> massaged and worked on, it will be a far better
>>> website experience.
>>> If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is always a choice.
>>> We have new members coming in monthly who seem
>>> to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress into a brighter
>>> future.
>>> Michael Shortt
>>> --
>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>> Savannah, Georgia
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My training comes from a retired railroad watch inspector, the folks
who used to keep the trains on time. His focus was on techniques that
are now used only on top-end Swiss timepieces - in fact, a Swiss
certified instructor sat through one of my educational lectures and
told me that he would change nothing in my approach to restoring clock
pivots.
My horological writing focuses on making repair folks aware of the
techniques that were much more common-place back in the late 1800's.
Thing is, the clocks I restore and sell were made by clock-makers
taught by Swiss-trained watchmakers. Hence prices for some of my nicer
pieces that are comparable to a good to great condition Pantera.
So, yes, trained to do watch restorations, but don't - the return from
my clock business is way too good to allow me to do watch work, which
really doesn't price out all that high.
Attached is a shot of the clock workshop - hard to see, but includes 3
watchmakers lathes, a couple of watchmakers milling machines and lots
of microscopes.
Stephen Nelson
[1]SNClocks.com
Click here to join one of our mailing lists [2]Contact Lists
Click here for our new [3]Hammered Dulcimers galleries
Click here for [4]my new blog on finding happiness in retirement
From: Michael Shortt [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 9:26 AM
To: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
Cc: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>; Scott Couchman
<scottcouchman at yahoo.com>; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
I liked your rear glass post, i can't imagine anybody being nasty over
anybody trying to help.
Clearly, you understand how that feels.
Michael
Do you also work on watches?, another weakness of mine.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Stephen <[5]steve at snclocks.com>
wrote:
OK - wasn't meaning my note to be nearly as controversial as it
apparently was. But, in response to Mike's question, what have I
done. Not much. I sent in 2 articles for the newsletter back in
2014. I have also posted a few ideas on this forum. I also have
pictures for 3 more articles from things I did while going through
5332.
Why don't I finish the articles, or post more to this forum. Because,
frankly, as you point out, there is a lot more negative commentary than
positive. I will be very curious to see how the post I just put out
there is received. Granted, all of us do not have your experience. We
can't help that. But, I can assure you that all of us are doing what
we can with the little god gave us.
For myself, my main focus in life is not my Pantera. It's clocks. In
that world I have had over 30 peer-reviewed technical articles
published. Chem eng, 6 patents, 30 years' experience - sure, I make
mistakes, lots of them, but it's how I am told that I am a dumb shit
that really matters.
Bottom line, each of us will get more out of life by being positive,
even when someone gives us "constructive" criticism. I learned that
from when I was still gettin performance reviews.
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Shortt
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Charles Engles <[7]cengles at cox.net>; Scott Couchman
<[8]scottcouchman at yahoo.com>; [9]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Old Website and Old Email Forum
You gentlemen are entitled to your opinion.
Meanwhile, everybody else seems to like the direction that the club is
taking
and if it takes leadership with a purpose to accomplish more progress,
I intend on delivering it.
The BOD meetings are for business purposes, perhaps your professional
meeting experience is limited,
there is no time for cross talk, beating a subject to death or telling
stories about the old days.
My goal remains to go through the loaded agenda as fast as I can,
listen to everybody who needs to speak
while restoring a business like atmosphere to the proceedings.
Since this BOD has taken office, we have accomplished more in 3 months
than the last few
BODs have done collectively in years.
There are no more rumors of financial fraud, no rumors of any kind.
Bob Reid has done a superb job and I have the third paty CPA
verification to prove it.
For the first time is years and years, there were financials printed in
the newsletter.
We have not only had actual monthly BOD meetings, we invite others to
listen and to even listen to a recording.
I have personally made it a point to have monthly telephone calls with
Chapter Presidents, in fact, on Wednesday night, I had to do it twice
for two different groups, that made 4 four Cleveland Block meetings
this year, 3 BOD meetings and March isn't even open.
Ther newsletter is going digital, we will soon use those savings to
make the new website
much, much better once the bugs are worked out on the back end
features,
The public portion worked perfectly in our one day test of the new
website.
Strange that neither of you has volunteered to do ANYTHING.
I put in 10-20 hours a week on POCA business, just like now, responding
to your hate mail.
I have received no less than 30 emails telling me how much better
people like what is happening.
I am very proud of this BOD, despite our rough start, we are making
progress,
we are growing the club each and every month, Judy gleefully tells us
each month how many new members we have.
The Bylaws are being reviewed, the newsletter and profiles look better
than ever and are being produced and produced on time.
We have excellent minutes of our meeting, advertising will soon start
to add to the coffers and allow even more improvements.
The 2016 Fun Rally has effective new leadership and they have a plan in
place, thus far, it appears that attendance will be
at a record level in both people and cars.
John Buckman and Mike Burnnett provide invaulable guidance to me.
We are bringing in entire new model groups as new chapters and
expanding the club all over the world with Intl Chapters.
If you are unhappy with my leadership, please run against me at the
next opportunity,
meanwhile, if you want to criticize from out in the field, please do,
but know that your opinion's worth
has direct coorleation to your contributions to making things better.
What have you done lately?
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:40 AM, <[10]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Scott: Well said, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso wrote:
>
> If there is ZERO tolerance "to those trying to be rude", I suggest
you
>> take a hard look at yourself. I've listened to the last two BOD
>> calls, and I'm my opinion, you're rude to your own BOD members. I
>> also find it offensive to suggest members that don't agree with you
>> should not renew their membership because you've got "new members
>> coming in monthly". That's not what I call leadership! Your
"plethora
>> of IT experts" comment and non "POCA dues paying members in your own
>> name" both seemed to me were clearly intended to be rude!
>> Your ZERO tolerance only seems to apply to others. I'm working hard
>> to grow my local chapter and to contribute to POCA. I like that
>> you're offering new ideas, but the attitude I read in email and this
>> forum post isn't helping.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Michael Shortt
<[11]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> As some of you have experienced, we tested the new website today.
>>> while much of it worked great ( the public accessible sections) ,
some,
>>> if not most of the backend features did not work
>>> as planned.
>>> The only way to tell was to do it and see what happened, now we
know.
>>> The right people are now involved and working to correct the
issues.
>>> There will be hard changes, the old forum archives will be
available
>>> only by a link to the old records.
>>> the new forum is not done the same and the old information can
not be
>>> moved over.
>>> The capabilities of the new forum will make it worth the change,
if for
>>> no other reason than
>>> security which was once again violated this month and had shut
down 1/3
>>> - 1/2 of the list.
>>> I have spent two months asking for volunteers to help with the
>>> transition, nobody stepped up,
>>> now suddenly we seem to have a plethora of IT experts, where have
you
>>> been?
>>> We still need help to learn the new system and I'd love to
involve more
>>> people
>>> and assign them specific pages within the site to manage, this
would
>>> certainly be a better way
>>> of doing it and reduce the work load on just a couple of people
to do
>>> everything.
>>> To those who have complained, thanks for helping us find areas
than
>>> needed help.
>>> If you complained and are not a POCA dues paying members in your
own
>>> name, A thanks
>>> to you as well, it's always great to know who you are.
>>> Lots of people are working hard as volunteers on your behalf,
ZERO
>>> tolerance will be givenA
>>> to those trying to be rude and counterproductive to the success
of this
>>> club, we simply do not need you.
>>> Far too many A BOD members and others have sweated, toiled, and
worked
>>> hard for years.
>>> POCA has existed for over 35 years always put up with nastiness,
Some
>>> leaders and workers have justA
>>> shut down and just not communicated with the membership at all
because
>>> frankly, doing nothing is a lot calmer. A
>>> Let me cheerfully inform everyone that our attitude is to put the
club
>>> first,
>>> to be customer service freindly and to make the POCA experience
great
>>> for everybody,
>>> Rome wasn't built in a day, I doubt any Pantera was completed in
a day
>>> and I know these improvements will come
>>> more slowly than we want.A I also know that once they are
released,
>>> massaged and worked on, it will be a far better
>>> website experience.
>>> If that isn't good enough for some of you, renewal is always a
choice.
>>> We have new members coming in monthly who seem
>>> to have a good attitude and who want to see us progress into a
brighter
>>> future.
>>> Michael Shortt
>>> --
>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>> [1][12]www.michaelshortt.com
>>> [2][13]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> [14]912-232-9390
>>> A
>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>>> privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby
>>> notified
>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
this
>>> communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
sender that
>>> you
>>> have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank you
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [15]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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4. http://www.perfectoldman.com/
5. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
7. mailto:cengles at cox.net
8. mailto:scottcouchman at yahoo.com
9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
10. mailto:cengles at cox.net
11. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
12. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
13. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
14. tel:912-232-9390
15. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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