[DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
The DeTomaso Registry Guy
detomasoregistry at gmail.com
Wed Mar 2 13:21:18 EST 2016
Like other people, I am getting mail, well out of sequence.
I already sent out an answer regarding being the POCA registry guy,
and I have to decline, as I do not have the time to do the job justice.
I might be willing to be an advisor, but that is all.
Now if you received and read my message "the numbers", you understand that a
POCA-only registry would be a bad idea. About 4,000 existing users would
NOT be allowed to use a POCA-only registry, just the 1,000 POCA members.
My questions for the POCA board still stand. How can POCA improve the registry? (for all)
I made just two suggestions.
If you missed my registry messages, see the forum archives, I just confirmed they are present.
http://poca.com/pipermail/detomaso_poca.com/2016-February/date.html
scroll to the bottom.
Chuck
Chuck, would you be open to such an arrangement? Not the hookers in Vegas
part.I won't ask you to go on record about that. You know what they say,
"What happens in Vegas, can usually be cleared up by antibiotics". The
part that you could manage the registry hosted on a POCA site. The only
difference is that you would not have to pay for hosting yourself and
design and content could be enhanced and linked to other content.
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
rob at dumoulins.net
www.kbsi.co
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
> In my opinion, Rob states the case for POCA to "house" the registry.
> However, since someone needs to be in charge of creating and managing the
> registry, I would think that the club should create a "registry management"
> position in which I would think Chuck would be the logical person to
> manage.
>
> He would be able to maintain his "banner" as the originator of the
> registry, and get additional resources to maintain and expand it.
>
> I can't believe I am saying this, but the only thing Chuck would have to
> give up is complete control "for the greater good."
> On Feb 26, 2016 5:39 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>
>> I really do not understand the issue. This should not be about Chuck
>> vs. POCA.A This should be about what is best for the marque. Chuck has
>> and is doing a wonderful and financially thankless service for the
>> marque. There is nothing short of praise and/or lots of cash to make up
>> for it. I cannot speak for you, Chuck, but this could be a welcomed
>> burden lifted even though I am confident this is not considered a
>> burden to you, but a passion.A If I could buy you a drink, hooker in
>> Vegas (hey, it's legal there), or whatever I could to show appreciation
>> when I get a chance to meet you in person, I would.
>> But I see both sides. A
>> If something, God forbid, would happen to Chuck or his registry, or if
>> Chuck decides he now wants to change his passion to collecting hummels
>> of Italian street peasants instead, we would have to start over. It
>> makes sense for the marque to carry this burden.
>> Flipside
>> Without Chuck's help or persuasion, we lack the non-POCA cars in the
>> registry.
>> Is there not some way to do this together?A Look, I've personally been
>> in this situation professional before. I conceived, designed, built,
>> and supported software that quickly was used all over the world.A The
>> first 3 years, I was the only support and took calls from Australia at
>> 2 AM Monday morning when I was supposed to be on a plane at 6 AM to
>> travel for work. It was the hardest thing to turn over support for my
>> 'baby' to an Indian team, but I did because it was really the best way
>> to keep it growing and me sleeping at night.A This should be bigger
>> than us. It's hard, but we need to look at a big picture.
>> Rob DuMoulin
>> 904.476.8744
>> [1]rob at dumoulins.net
>> [2]www.kbsi.co
>> [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:58 PM, James coyne
>> <[4]tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A A Well stated Julian .
>> A A From: [5]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> A A To: [6]michaelsavga at gmail.com; [7]cengles at cox.net
>> A A Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:25:53 +0000
>> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>> A A CC: [8]detomaso at poca.com; [9]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
>> Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
>> his registr
>> y with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given
>> that he's put
>> years of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one
>> else wanted
>> to take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to
>> that registry f
>> or the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him
>> to amass well
>> A over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to
>> enter their detai
>> ls? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state
>> that 'yours'
>> A will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other
>> registry members use
>> A only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for
>> monetary gai
>> n is a contradiction in terms.
>> The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby,
>> they don't t
>> heoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all
>> straightened out.
>> We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso
>> marque never
>> chooses to get involved!
>> I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it
>> hasn't seen t
>> hat need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break
>> down divisions
>> within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and
>> others before
>> him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is
>> bigger and bett
>> er. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of
>> Pantera informa
>> tion anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
>> Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum
>> that 'needed'
>> A to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3
>> months ago...
>> .. so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my
>> opinions, even if
>> I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a
>> democracy.
>> Julian
>> ________________________________
>> From: Michael Shortt <[10]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
>> To: Charles Engles
>> Cc: Julian Kift; [11]detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>> Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or
>> integrate his with o
>> urs.
>> Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information (
>> if you choose
>> A to upload yours )
>> The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we
>> are all dead,
>> Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
>> It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for
>> the other regi
>> stry members to use only.
>> Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
>> would use th
>> eir time
>> to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
>> better.
>> I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
>> use, it prob
>> ably won't be changed
>> for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s)
>> out would hav
>> e to do it again, 2) the expense
>> of making those changes.A I am not going to punish those who comply
>> and contribu
>> te, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
>> Michael Shortt
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM,
>> <[12]cengles at cox.net<mailto:[13]cengles at cox.net>> wrote
>> :
>> Dear Julian:A Precisely.A A A A Warmest regards,A Chuck Engles
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>> You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition
>> work, just sayi
>> ng....
>> ________________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso
>> <[14]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:[15]detomaso-bounces at poca.com>
>> > on
>> behalf of marshall smith
>> <[16]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net<mailto:[17]marshallgsmith at sbc
>> [18]global.net>>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>> You could add Pushbutton!
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
>> <[19]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[20]detomaso
>> @[21]poca.com>> wrote:
>> A Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>> A To: "DeTomaso Mail List"
>> <[22]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[23]detomaso at poca.com>>
>>
>> A Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
>> A A For all the
>> A categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
>> A A add the ability to denote stock and
>> A modified.A A simple checkbox for
>> A A "Modified" in each area could allow owners
>> A to enter the car's original
>> A A configuration as well as the current
>> A configuration, such as in the
>> A A example of a car that has since been
>> A winged and flared and listed as a
>> A A Gr4. Just a thought
>> A A Year
>> A A -->Model:
>> A A A A --> pre-L
>> A A A A --> L
>> A A A A --> GTS
>> A A A A --> Gr4
>> A A A A --> Gr5
>> A A A A --> GT5S
>> A A A A --> etc.
>> A A Cheers!
>> A A Garth
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