[DeTomaso] NPC-Quitting POCA for personal reasons
James coyne
tecnosound at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 30 23:45:11 EDT 2016
Well stated Will , Rob is one of my new heroes . A shining example of integrity , conviction , and thoughtfulness . I hope someday to shake his hand . - Jim Coyne
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 23:08:14 -0400
> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> To: RallyFanatic at aol.com; rob at dumoulins.net; DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Quitting POCA for personal reasons
>
> Rob isn¹t quitting the club. He¹s quitting POCA.
>
> The club is the Pantera brotherhood. The rebirth of this list proves that
> the brotherhood is alive and well.
>
> POCA is temporarily on crack. It will get better, but it will take time.
>
> In the meantime, we should all treat POCA with respect, like you would
> treat a close friend that has fallen from the wagon.
>
> Will.
>
> On 6/30/16, 1:17 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of RallyFanatic--- via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow Rob. Maybe you would like to run for POCA President. You sound
> > like a stand up guy. Please don't quit the club.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandi Snyder
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/29/2016 12:54:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > rob at dumoulins.net writes:
> >
> > I suspect that many of you will opt out of reading this declaration.
> > I
> > understand and I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it
> > matches
> > your reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for
> > reading.
> > If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the end. I hope
> > you
> > will see that this is not about me, but about POCA.
> > Months ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and ignore POCA
> > carnage
> > around me while I focused on my own family life and automotive
> > challenges
> > of getting 1488 put back together. Weeks ago a decision was reached
> > to not
> > renew my POCA membership after being back in POCA for only one
> > shortt but
> > long year. The bulk of this email was composed weeks back with the
> > intent
> > to publish it only on the POCA site to keep it "in the family". I
> > resurrected it now and my reasons to post to this forum are
> > presented
> > below.
> > The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt that the West
> > Coast
> > leadership did not share my interests because I lived on the
> > opposite side
> > of the country. In fact, I was told such opinions directly. With no
> > active
> > chapter, there was no compelling reason continue as the only POCA
> > member
> > within at least 200 miles and I let my membership expire. Not a big
> > deal.
> > I leave POCA this time because not because I am on the opposite side
> > of the
> > country, but I feel the leadership has ventured into the opposite
> > side of
> > my sense of civility. Sadly enough, I leave at a time when my car is
> > now
> > restored and I am in a position to participate more regionally
> > events. I
> > can live with that especially and promote Panteras on my own if I do
> > not
> > have to deal with the baggage.
> > As I hinted, reasons for leaving POCA this time are not because of
> > the
> > direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to do it.
> > Being in
> > the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting the web-if-ication
> > of the
> > club, but at the same time I sympathize with and support almost all
> > of the
> > stated opposition. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and
> > observations
> > over the years has taught me that only dysfunctional "Families"
> > ignore,
> > discount, or belittle other member's opinions. A case cannot be
> > made that
> > I am a "criticizer and not a contributor" to POCA's success. Prior
> > to the
> > current website launch, I read the entire web hosting manual (not a
> > small
> > document to say the least), offered to help, was micromanaged to the
> > extreme, tried to quell resistance on the old email list towards the
> > new
> > site based on the knowledge I gained from the manual, all while the
> > hate
> > speech started to flow from the vocal portion of the POCA
> > leadership. At
> > that point I started to question the means being used but still
> > wanted to
> > help the community. I have contributed to the "Pantera Interior"
> > forum on
> > the site by adding instructions on headliner replacement / speaker
> > bar
> > install in the interest of advancing the site and helping members.
> > Also, I
> > envisioned, enhanced and maintained the interactive graphical US map
> > for
> > the 911 list to include all 50 states and bordering Canada instead
> > of just
> > Southeast chapter participants. I seek nor desire praise for any of
> > it. In
> > fact I try to stay as anonymous as I can because my plate is so full
> > right
> > now I can only commit to what i choose to make time for. I mention
> > this
> > only so nobody could say that I was not fully vested in the success
> > of the
> > 'New POCA' experience and wanted it to succeed. Anybody suggesting
> > otherwise is not genuine or not knowledgeable. Accusations that more
> > people
> > are not just jumping on board to help a sinking ship while the
> > captain is
> > willfully firing holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in my
> > opinion
> > propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright delusional. Not only
> > can I
> > not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join POCA right now, I
> > feel
> > fortunate that my membership expires soon.
> > The last straw that made me no longer willing to watch the berating,
> > hate
> > speach, and psychotic behavior was to have a record of it "magically
> > erased" from the POCA forum. For this, I hold the entire BOD
> > responsible.
> > For those of you reading this that are not in the 'Free World' or
> > have yet
> > to view the POCA site forums regularly, you may accept rewriting of
> > history
> > as protocol from your dictator regimes or are unaware of what is
> > happening. Though we may feel helpless to deal with similar
> > behavior from
> > our governments, do we really expect to deal with this abuse from a
> > freak-in car club? Does it matter that the POCA forum history willcabinet
> > only
> > reflect harmony and birds singing in the springtime any time
> > relevant
> > questions/discussions not fitting a controlled narrative occur are
> > responded to with such revolting and utter contempt? "Control the
> > narrative, control the situation" is a common way to erase
> > skeletons. Just
> > ask the Clintons (sorry, I had to sneak that shot in), and some
> > unmentioned
> > entity which recently tried to intimidate this list from having
> > their past
> > inflammatory remarks stripped from the record. Maybe to some people
> > it does
> > not matter, but to me it does, thus I walk away from POCA again.
> > I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum notifications (not really
> > missing
> > much other than the same old impetuous vitriol), will let my
> > membership
> > lapse, will no longer support the POCA 911 Emergency Travel guide
> > and map,
> > and will not be present at the East Coast Fall event. I gladly
> > offer to
> > host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren as they travel North
> > through
> > Florida on their way to the event and hope to participate and
> > support
> > chapter events as able.
> > I make the statement on THIS forum for one simple reason: I am
> > confident
> > that such a declaration would be erased from the POCA forum along
> > with any
> > character assassination against me that would follow. I really
> > would like
> > to have a record of fallout spew directed towards me before
> > self-censorship
> > of the POCA site occurs.
> > Notice: Any private responses sent to me on this or any other topic
> > may be
> > shared with this community regardless of any disclaimers on your
> > email
> > stating not to share it. I beat you at your own game by declaring
> > it
> > first.
> > Somehow, I suspect that creating the current POCA toxic atmosphere
> > was done
> > intentionally. Motives could be:
> > - To drive away/discredit any opposition before a passive majority
> > of its
> > members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all the
> > carnage
> > with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to help, threw stones,
> > and
> > statements of good riddance?
> > - To intimidate and silence opposing opinions turning them into
> > disengaged
> > low-information minions who pay dues?
> > - A belief that short attention spans will forget this?
> > - In the name of progress because the masses are fools that have to
> > be led?
> > Of course, these are just conspiracy theories, but my gut and view
> > of
> > actions from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them
> > ranges from
> > a little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may vary.
> > Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech must be
> > sanctioned by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have been stopped or
> > at a
> > minimum be publicly denounced. Not even once was it denounced nor
> > has it
> > diminished. I sincerely hope POCA survives this new public image it
> > has
> > created. I feel sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a straight-up
> > guy to me
> > that was dealt a rotten situation until you requested that I not to
> > use
> > this email forum. If any BOD members are left standing if/when this
> > ship
> > sinks, you have only yourselves to blame for allowing one person to
> > continue shooting vitriol speech when in hindsight you should have
> > taken
> > away his bullet points (not so subtle colloquialism intended). Even
> > if you
> > somehow craft an apology or stop the hate speech, don't be surprised
> > when
> > it does not fool anybody without actions to back it up. True colors
> > have
> > been shown and they are not pretty. Sad, but true that none of this
> > was
> > even necessary if not for the actions of one replaceable
> > spokesperson
> > representing the entire organization and a board that was
> > indifferent for
> > reasons unknown to at least me.
> > I once considered the current President my friend. I have attended
> > events
> > with him, hosted him and his lovely wife Joanie while they were
> > attending
> > the Amelia Island Concourse, and he has hosted myself and my wife
> > for the
> > Hilton Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I have no energy
> > available
> > to expend for any person or entity with his M.O., especially one
> > that I pay
> > dues to support. Micheal, please erase my contact information from
> > your
> > phone, email, and address book. I suspect we will never meet again.
> > For everybody else, thank you all for being there for me and my car
> > over
> > these 8 long years of restoration. Proactive thanks for the years
> > to come
> > and I welcome the opportunity to meet and help any of you if the
> > opportunity ever arises.
> > Rob DuMoulin
> > Caretaker of 1488
> > I suspect that many of you will opt out of reading this
> > declaration. I
> > understand and I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it
> > matches
> > your reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for
> > reading. If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the
> > end. I
> > hope you will see that this is not about me, but about POCA.A
> > Months ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and ignore POCA
> > carnage
> > around me while I focused on my own family life and automotive
> > challenges of getting 1488 put back together.A Weeks ago a
> > decision
> > was reached to not renew my POCA membership after being back in
> > POCA
> > for only one shortt but long year. The bulk of this email was
> > composed
> > weeks back with the intent to publish it only on the POCA site to
> > keep
> > it "in the family".A I resurrected it now and my reasons to post
> > to
> > this forum are presented below.A
> > The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt that the West
> > Coast
> > leadership did not share my interests because I lived on the
> > opposite
> > side of the country. In fact, I was told such opinions
> > directly.A With
> > no active chapter, there was no compelling reason continue as the
> > only
> > POCA member within at least 200 miles and I let my membership
> > expire.
> > Not a big deal.A I leave POCA this time because not because I am
> > on
> > the opposite side of the country, but I feel the leadership has
> > ventured into the opposite side of my sense of civility. Sadly
> > enough,
> > I leave at a time when my car is now restored and I am in a
> > position to
> > participate more regionally events. I can live with that
> > especially and
> > promote Panteras on my own if I do not have to deal with the
> > baggage.
> > As I hinted, reasons for leaving POCA this time are not because
> > of the
> > direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to do
> > it.
> > Being in the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting the
> > web-if-ication of the club, but at the same time I sympathize
> > with and
> > support almost all of the stated opposition. Everybody is
> > entitled to
> > an opinion and observations over the years has taught me that
> > only
> > dysfunctional "Families" ignore, discount, or belittle other
> > member's
> > opinions.A A case cannot be made that I am a "criticizer and not
> > a
> > contributor" to POCA's success. Prior to the current website
> > launch, I
> > read the entire web hosting manual (not a small document to say
> > the
> > least), offered to help, was micromanaged to the extreme, tried
> > to
> > quell resistance on the old email list towards the new site based
> > on
> > the knowledge I gained from the manual, all while the hate speech
> > started to flow from the vocal portion of the POCA leadership.A
> > At
> > that point I started to question the means being used but still
> > wanted
> > to help the community. I have contributed to the "Pantera
> > Interior"
> > forum on the site by adding instructions on headliner replacement
> > /
> > speaker bar install in the interest of advancing the site and
> > helping
> > members. Also, I envisioned, enhanced and maintained the
> > interactive
> > graphical US map for the 911 list to include all 50 states and
> > bordering Canada instead of just Southeast chapter participants.
> > I seek
> > nor desire praise for any of it.A In fact I try to stay as
> > anonymous
> > as I can because my plate is so full right now I can only commit
> > to
> > what i choose to make time for.A I mention this only so nobody
> > could
> > say that I was not fully vested in the success of the 'New POCA'
> > experience and wanted it to succeed.A Anybody suggesting
> > otherwise is
> > not genuine or not knowledgeable. Accusations that more people
> > are not
> > just jumping on board to help a sinking ship while the captain is
> > willfully firing holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in my
> > opinion propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright
> > delusional. Not
> > only can I not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join
> > POCA
> > right now, I feel fortunate that my membership expires soon.
> > The last straw that made me no longer willing to watch the
> > berating,
> > hate speach, and psychotic behavior was to have a record of it
> > "magically erased" from the POCA forum.A For this, I hold the
> > entire
> > BOD responsible. For those of you reading this that are not in
> > the
> > 'Free World' or have yet to view the POCA site forums regularly,
> > you
> > may accept rewriting of history as protocol from your dictator
> > regimes
> > or are unaware of what is happening.A Though we may feel
> > helpless to
> > deal with similar behavior from our governments, do we really
> > expect to
> > deal with this abuse from a freak-in car club?A Does it matter
> > that
> > the POCA forum history will only reflect harmony and birds
> > singing in
> > the springtime any time relevant questions/discussions not
> > fitting a
> > controlled narrative occur are responded to with such revolting
> > and
> > utter contempt? A "Control the narrative, control the situation"
> > is a
> > common way to erase skeletons. Just ask the Clintons (sorry, I
> > had to
> > sneak that shot in), and some unmentioned entity which recently
> > tried
> > to intimidate this list from having their past inflammatory
> > remarks
> > stripped from the record.A Maybe to some people it does not
> > matter, but
> > to me it does, thus I walk away from POCA again.
> > I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum notifications (not really
> > missing much other than the same old impetuous vitriol), will let
> > my
> > membership lapse, will no longer support the POCA 911 Emergency
> > Travel
> > guide and map, and will not be present at the East Coast Fall
> > event.A
> > I gladly offer to host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren
> > as they
> > travel North through Florida on their way to the event and hope
> > to
> > participate and support chapter events as able.A
> > I make the statement on THIS forum for one simple reason: A I am
> > confident that such a declaration would be erased from the POCA
> > forum
> > along with any character assassination against me that would
> > follow.A
> > I really would like to have a record of fallout spew directed
> > towards
> > me before self-censorship of the POCA site occurs.A
> > Notice: Any private responses sent to me on this or any other
> > topic may
> > be shared with this community regardless of any disclaimers on
> > your
> > email stating not to share it.A I beat you at your own game by
> > declaring it first.A
> > Somehow, I suspect that creating the current POCA toxic
> > atmosphere was
> > done intentionally. Motives could be:
> > A - To drive away/discredit any opposition before a passive
> > majority of
> > its members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all
> > the
> > carnage with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to help, threw
> > stones, and statements of good riddance? A
> > A - To intimidate and silence opposing opinions turning them into
> > disengaged A low-information minions who pay dues? A
> > A - A belief that short attention spans will forget this? A
> > A - In the name of progress because the masses are fools that
> > have to
> > be led?
> > Of course, these are justA conspiracyA theories, but my gut and
> > view of
> > actions from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them
> > ranges
> > from a little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may
> > vary.
> > Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech must be
> > sanctionedA by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have been
> > stopped or
> > at a minimum be publicly denounced. Not even once was it
> > denounced nor
> > has it diminished. I sincerely hope POCA survives this new public
> > image
> > it has created. I feel sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a
> > straight-up guy to me that was dealt a rotten situation until you
> > requested that I not to use this email forum. If any BOD members
> > are
> > left standing if/when this ship sinks, you have only yourselves
> > to
> > blame for allowing one person to continue shooting vitriol speech
> > when
> > in hindsight you should have taken away his bullet points (not so
> > subtle colloquialism intended).A Even if you somehow craft an
> > apology
> > or stop the hate speech, don't be surprised when it does not fool
> > anybody without actions to back it up.A True colors have been
> > shown
> > and they are not pretty.A Sad, but true that none of this was
> > even
> > necessary if not for the actions of one replaceable spokesperson
> > representing the entire organization and a board that was
> > indifferent
> > for reasons unknown to at least me.
> > I once considered the current President my friend.A I have
> > attended
> > events with him, hosted him and his lovely wife Joanie while they
> > were
> > attending the Amelia Island Concourse, and he has hosted myself
> > and my
> > wife for the Hilton Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I
> > have no
> > energy available to expend for any person or entity with his
> > M.O.,
> > especially one that I pay dues to support.A Micheal, please
> > erase my
> > contact information from your phone, email, and address book.A I
> > suspect we will never meet again.
> > For everybody else, thank you all for being there for me and my
> > car
> > over these 8 long years of restoration.A Proactive thanks for
> > the
> > years to come and I welcome the opportunity to meet and help any
> > of you
> > if the opportunity ever arises.
> > Rob DuMoulin
> > Caretaker of 1488
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Well stated Will , Rob is one of my new heroes . A shining example of
integrity , conviction , and thoughtfulness . I hope someday to shake
his hand . - Jim Coyne
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 23:08:14 -0400
> From: will.kooiman at gmail.com
> To: RallyFanatic at aol.com; rob at dumoulins.net;
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Quitting POCA for personal reasons
>
> Rob isn^1t quitting the club. He^1s quitting POCA.
>
> The club is the Pantera brotherhood. The rebirth of this list proves
that
> the brotherhood is alive and well.
>
> POCA is temporarily on crack. It will get better, but it will take
time.
>
> In the meantime, we should all treat POCA with respect, like you
would
> treat a close friend that has fallen from the wagon.
>
> Will.
>
> On 6/30/16, 1:17 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of RallyFanatic--- via
DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow Rob. Maybe you would like to run for POCA President. You sound
> > like a stand up guy. Please don't quit the club.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandi Snyder
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/29/2016 12:54:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > rob at dumoulins.net writes:
> >
> > I suspect that many of you will opt out of reading this
declaration.
> > I
> > understand and I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it
> > matches
> > your reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for
> > reading.
> > If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the end. I hope
> > you
> > will see that this is not about me, but about POCA.
> > Months ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and ignore POCA
> > carnage
> > around me while I focused on my own family life and automotive
> > challenges
> > of getting 1488 put back together. Weeks ago a decision was reached
> > to not
> > renew my POCA membership after being back in POCA for only one
> > shortt but
> > long year. The bulk of this email was composed weeks back with the
> > intent
> > to publish it only on the POCA site to keep it "in the family". I
> > resurrected it now and my reasons to post to this forum are
> > presented
> > below.
> > The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt that the West
> > Coast
> > leadership did not share my interests because I lived on the
> > opposite side
> > of the country. In fact, I was told such opinions directly. With no
> > active
> > chapter, there was no compelling reason continue as the only POCA
> > member
> > within at least 200 miles and I let my membership expire. Not a big
> > deal.
> > I leave POCA this time because not because I am on the opposite
side
> > of the
> > country, but I feel the leadership has ventured into the opposite
> > side of
> > my sense of civility. Sadly enough, I leave at a time when my car
is
> > now
> > restored and I am in a position to participate more regionally
> > events. I
> > can live with that especially and promote Panteras on my own if I
do
> > not
> > have to deal with the baggage.
> > As I hinted, reasons for leaving POCA this time are not because of
> > the
> > direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to do it.
> > Being in
> > the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting the
web-if-ication
> > of the
> > club, but at the same time I sympathize with and support almost all
> > of the
> > stated opposition. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and
> > observations
> > over the years has taught me that only dysfunctional "Families"
> > ignore,
> > discount, or belittle other member's opinions. A case cannot be
> > made that
> > I am a "criticizer and not a contributor" to POCA's success. Prior
> > to the
> > current website launch, I read the entire web hosting manual (not a
> > small
> > document to say the least), offered to help, was micromanaged to
the
> > extreme, tried to quell resistance on the old email list towards
the
> > new
> > site based on the knowledge I gained from the manual, all while the
> > hate
> > speech started to flow from the vocal portion of the POCA
> > leadership. At
> > that point I started to question the means being used but still
> > wanted to
> > help the community. I have contributed to the "Pantera Interior"
> > forum on
> > the site by adding instructions on headliner replacement / speaker
> > bar
> > install in the interest of advancing the site and helping members.
> > Also, I
> > envisioned, enhanced and maintained the interactive graphical US
map
> > for
> > the 911 list to include all 50 states and bordering Canada instead
> > of just
> > Southeast chapter participants. I seek nor desire praise for any of
> > it. In
> > fact I try to stay as anonymous as I can because my plate is so
full
> > right
> > now I can only commit to what i choose to make time for. I mention
> > this
> > only so nobody could say that I was not fully vested in the success
> > of the
> > 'New POCA' experience and wanted it to succeed. Anybody suggesting
> > otherwise is not genuine or not knowledgeable. Accusations that
more
> > people
> > are not just jumping on board to help a sinking ship while the
> > captain is
> > willfully firing holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in my
> > opinion
> > propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright delusional. Not only
> > can I
> > not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join POCA right now,
I
> > feel
> > fortunate that my membership expires soon.
> > The last straw that made me no longer willing to watch the
berating,
> > hate
> > speach, and psychotic behavior was to have a record of it
"magically
> > erased" from the POCA forum. For this, I hold the entire BOD
> > responsible.
> > For those of you reading this that are not in the 'Free World' or
> > have yet
> > to view the POCA site forums regularly, you may accept rewriting of
> > history
> > as protocol from your dictator regimes or are unaware of what is
> > happening. Though we may feel helpless to deal with similar
> > behavior from
> > our governments, do we really expect to deal with this abuse from a
> > freak-in car club? Does it matter that the POCA forum history
willcabinet
> > only
> > reflect harmony and birds singing in the springtime any time
> > relevant
> > questions/discussions not fitting a controlled narrative occur are
> > responded to with such revolting and utter contempt? "Control the
> > narrative, control the situation" is a common way to erase
> > skeletons. Just
> > ask the Clintons (sorry, I had to sneak that shot in), and some
> > unmentioned
> > entity which recently tried to intimidate this list from having
> > their past
> > inflammatory remarks stripped from the record. Maybe to some people
> > it does
> > not matter, but to me it does, thus I walk away from POCA again.
> > I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum notifications (not really
> > missing
> > much other than the same old impetuous vitriol), will let my
> > membership
> > lapse, will no longer support the POCA 911 Emergency Travel guide
> > and map,
> > and will not be present at the East Coast Fall event. I gladly
> > offer to
> > host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren as they travel North
> > through
> > Florida on their way to the event and hope to participate and
> > support
> > chapter events as able.
> > I make the statement on THIS forum for one simple reason: I am
> > confident
> > that such a declaration would be erased from the POCA forum along
> > with any
> > character assassination against me that would follow. I really
> > would like
> > to have a record of fallout spew directed towards me before
> > self-censorship
> > of the POCA site occurs.
> > Notice: Any private responses sent to me on this or any other topic
> > may be
> > shared with this community regardless of any disclaimers on your
> > email
> > stating not to share it. I beat you at your own game by declaring
> > it
> > first.
> > Somehow, I suspect that creating the current POCA toxic atmosphere
> > was done
> > intentionally. Motives could be:
> > - To drive away/discredit any opposition before a passive majority
> > of its
> > members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all the
> > carnage
> > with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to help, threw stones,
> > and
> > statements of good riddance?
> > - To intimidate and silence opposing opinions turning them into
> > disengaged
> > low-information minions who pay dues?
> > - A belief that short attention spans will forget this?
> > - In the name of progress because the masses are fools that have to
> > be led?
> > Of course, these are just conspiracy theories, but my gut and view
> > of
> > actions from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them
> > ranges from
> > a little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may vary.
> > Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech must be
> > sanctioned by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have been stopped
or
> > at a
> > minimum be publicly denounced. Not even once was it denounced nor
> > has it
> > diminished. I sincerely hope POCA survives this new public image it
> > has
> > created. I feel sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a straight-up
> > guy to me
> > that was dealt a rotten situation until you requested that I not to
> > use
> > this email forum. If any BOD members are left standing if/when this
> > ship
> > sinks, you have only yourselves to blame for allowing one person to
> > continue shooting vitriol speech when in hindsight you should have
> > taken
> > away his bullet points (not so subtle colloquialism intended). Even
> > if you
> > somehow craft an apology or stop the hate speech, don't be
surprised
> > when
> > it does not fool anybody without actions to back it up. True colors
> > have
> > been shown and they are not pretty. Sad, but true that none of this
> > was
> > even necessary if not for the actions of one replaceable
> > spokesperson
> > representing the entire organization and a board that was
> > indifferent for
> > reasons unknown to at least me.
> > I once considered the current President my friend. I have attended
> > events
> > with him, hosted him and his lovely wife Joanie while they were
> > attending
> > the Amelia Island Concourse, and he has hosted myself and my wife
> > for the
> > Hilton Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I have no energy
> > available
> > to expend for any person or entity with his M.O., especially one
> > that I pay
> > dues to support. Micheal, please erase my contact information from
> > your
> > phone, email, and address book. I suspect we will never meet again.
> > For everybody else, thank you all for being there for me and my car
> > over
> > these 8 long years of restoration. Proactive thanks for the years
> > to come
> > and I welcome the opportunity to meet and help any of you if the
> > opportunity ever arises.
> > Rob DuMoulin
> > Caretaker of 1488
> > I suspect that many of you will opt out of reading this
> > declaration. I
> > understand and I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it
> > matches
> > your reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for
> > reading. If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the
> > end. I
> > hope you will see that this is not about me, but about POCA.A
> > Months ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and ignore POCA
> > carnage
> > around me while I focused on my own family life and automotive
> > challenges of getting 1488 put back together.A Weeks ago a
> > decision
> > was reached to not renew my POCA membership after being back in
> > POCA
> > for only one shortt but long year. The bulk of this email was
> > composed
> > weeks back with the intent to publish it only on the POCA site to
> > keep
> > it "in the family".A I resurrected it now and my reasons to post
> > to
> > this forum are presented below.A
> > The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt that the West
> > Coast
> > leadership did not share my interests because I lived on the
> > opposite
> > side of the country. In fact, I was told such opinions
> > directly.A With
> > no active chapter, there was no compelling reason continue as the
> > only
> > POCA member within at least 200 miles and I let my membership
> > expire.
> > Not a big deal.A I leave POCA this time because not because I am
> > on
> > the opposite side of the country, but I feel the leadership has
> > ventured into the opposite side of my sense of civility. Sadly
> > enough,
> > I leave at a time when my car is now restored and I am in a
> > position to
> > participate more regionally events. I can live with that
> > especially and
> > promote Panteras on my own if I do not have to deal with the
> > baggage.
> > As I hinted, reasons for leaving POCA this time are not because
> > of the
> > direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to do
> > it.
> > Being in the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting the
> > web-if-ication of the club, but at the same time I sympathize
> > with and
> > support almost all of the stated opposition. Everybody is
> > entitled to
> > an opinion and observations over the years has taught me that
> > only
> > dysfunctional "Families" ignore, discount, or belittle other
> > member's
> > opinions.A A case cannot be made that I am a "criticizer and not
> > a
> > contributor" to POCA's success. Prior to the current website
> > launch, I
> > read the entire web hosting manual (not a small document to say
> > the
> > least), offered to help, was micromanaged to the extreme, tried
> > to
> > quell resistance on the old email list towards the new site based
> > on
> > the knowledge I gained from the manual, all while the hate speech
> > started to flow from the vocal portion of the POCA leadership.A
> > At
> > that point I started to question the means being used but still
> > wanted
> > to help the community. I have contributed to the "Pantera
> > Interior"
> > forum on the site by adding instructions on headliner replacement
> > /
> > speaker bar install in the interest of advancing the site and
> > helping
> > members. Also, I envisioned, enhanced and maintained the
> > interactive
> > graphical US map for the 911 list to include all 50 states and
> > bordering Canada instead of just Southeast chapter participants.
> > I seek
> > nor desire praise for any of it.A In fact I try to stay as
> > anonymous
> > as I can because my plate is so full right now I can only commit
> > to
> > what i choose to make time for.A I mention this only so nobody
> > could
> > say that I was not fully vested in the success of the 'New POCA'
> > experience and wanted it to succeed.A Anybody suggesting
> > otherwise is
> > not genuine or not knowledgeable. Accusations that more people
> > are not
> > just jumping on board to help a sinking ship while the captain is
> > willfully firing holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in my
> > opinion propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright
> > delusional. Not
> > only can I not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join
> > POCA
> > right now, I feel fortunate that my membership expires soon.
> > The last straw that made me no longer willing to watch the
> > berating,
> > hate speach, and psychotic behavior was to have a record of it
> > "magically erased" from the POCA forum.A For this, I hold the
> > entire
> > BOD responsible. For those of you reading this that are not in
> > the
> > 'Free World' or have yet to view the POCA site forums regularly,
> > you
> > may accept rewriting of history as protocol from your dictator
> > regimes
> > or are unaware of what is happening.A Though we may feel
> > helpless to
> > deal with similar behavior from our governments, do we really
> > expect to
> > deal with this abuse from a freak-in car club?A Does it matter
> > that
> > the POCA forum history will only reflect harmony and birds
> > singing in
> > the springtime any time relevant questions/discussions not
> > fitting a
> > controlled narrative occur are responded to with such revolting
> > and
> > utter contempt? A "Control the narrative, control the situation"
> > is a
> > common way to erase skeletons. Just ask the Clintons (sorry, I
> > had to
> > sneak that shot in), and some unmentioned entity which recently
> > tried
> > to intimidate this list from having their past inflammatory
> > remarks
> > stripped from the record.A Maybe to some people it does not
> > matter, but
> > to me it does, thus I walk away from POCA again.
> > I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum notifications (not really
> > missing much other than the same old impetuous vitriol), will let
> > my
> > membership lapse, will no longer support the POCA 911 Emergency
> > Travel
> > guide and map, and will not be present at the East Coast Fall
> > event.A
> > I gladly offer to host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren
> > as they
> > travel North through Florida on their way to the event and hope
> > to
> > participate and support chapter events as able.A
> > I make the statement on THIS forum for one simple reason: A I am
> > confident that such a declaration would be erased from the POCA
> > forum
> > along with any character assassination against me that would
> > follow.A
> > I really would like to have a record of fallout spew directed
> > towards
> > me before self-censorship of the POCA site occurs.A
> > Notice: Any private responses sent to me on this or any other
> > topic may
> > be shared with this community regardless of any disclaimers on
> > your
> > email stating not to share it.A I beat you at your own game by
> > declaring it first.A
> > Somehow, I suspect that creating the current POCA toxic
> > atmosphere was
> > done intentionally. Motives could be:
> > A - To drive away/discredit any opposition before a passive
> > majority of
> > its members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all
> > the
> > carnage with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to help, threw
> > stones, and statements of good riddance? A
> > A - To intimidate and silence opposing opinions turning them into
> > disengaged A low-information minions who pay dues? A
> > A - A belief that short attention spans will forget this? A
> > A - In the name of progress because the masses are fools that
> > have to
> > be led?
> > Of course, these are justA conspiracyA theories, but my gut and
> > view of
> > actions from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them
> > ranges
> > from a little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may
> > vary.
> > Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech must be
> > sanctionedA by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have been
> > stopped or
> > at a minimum be publicly denounced. Not even once was it
> > denounced nor
> > has it diminished. I sincerely hope POCA survives this new public
> > image
> > it has created. I feel sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a
> > straight-up guy to me that was dealt a rotten situation until you
> > requested that I not to use this email forum. If any BOD members
> > are
> > left standing if/when this ship sinks, you have only yourselves
> > to
> > blame for allowing one person to continue shooting vitriol speech
> > when
> > in hindsight you should have taken away his bullet points (not so
> > subtle colloquialism intended).A Even if you somehow craft an
> > apology
> > or stop the hate speech, don't be surprised when it does not fool
> > anybody without actions to back it up.A True colors have been
> > shown
> > and they are not pretty.A Sad, but true that none of this was
> > even
> > necessary if not for the actions of one replaceable spokesperson
> > representing the entire organization and a board that was
> > indifferent
> > for reasons unknown to at least me.
> > I once considered the current President my friend.A I have
> > attended
> > events with him, hosted him and his lovely wife Joanie while they
> > were
> > attending the Amelia Island Concourse, and he has hosted myself
> > and my
> > wife for the Hilton Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I
> > have no
> > energy available to expend for any person or entity with his
> > M.O.,
> > especially one that I pay dues to support.A Micheal, please
> > erase my
> > contact information from your phone, email, and address book.A I
> > suspect we will never meet again.
> > For everybody else, thank you all for being there for me and my
> > car
> > over these 8 long years of restoration.A Proactive thanks for
> > the
> > years to come and I welcome the opportunity to meet and help any
> > of you
> > if the opportunity ever arises.
> > Rob DuMoulin
> > Caretaker of 1488
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