[DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
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In a message dated 6/29/2016 9:15:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
forestg at att.net writes:
John, Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr. Shortt
started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts before backing
someone up.Forest
From: John Bennett <jbennett111 at zoho.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it
gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there
is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child
like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No
matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage
him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9
years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree,
but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that
long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from
people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should
defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of
the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it
is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this
email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor
and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I
now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they
are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and
discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt
should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a
national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your
computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there
and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make
accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It
is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that
can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point
your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the
cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<nathan.giles at ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike
Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to
have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find
where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on
page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of
the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing
more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on
page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike
Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is
required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other
members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of
the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws
requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the
November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had
submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot
included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges
he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit
his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or
the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the
DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a
regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied
about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the
cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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John,
Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr. Shortt
started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts before backing
someone up.
Forest
__________________________________________________________________
From: John Bennett <jbennett111 at zoho.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as
it
gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there
is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child
like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides!
No
matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage
him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9
years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not
agree,
but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that
long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from
people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should
defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of
the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that
it
is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this
email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor
and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I
now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they
are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive
and
discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt
should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a
national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of
your
computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there
and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make
accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man?
It
is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that
can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point
your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the
cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<[1]nathan.giles at ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[2][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a
rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit
very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by
Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike
Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to
have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can
find
where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on
page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties
of
the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates.
Nothing
more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter
on
page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike
Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is
required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any
other
members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of
the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws
requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in
the
November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had
submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot
included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he
acknowledges
he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to
submit
his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee
or
the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by
the
DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to
a
regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied
about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the
cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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In a message dated 6/29/2016 9:15:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
forestg at att.net writes:
John, Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr.
Shortt started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts
before backing someone up.Forest
From: John Bennett <jbennett111 at zoho.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related
as it
gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes
there
is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and
Man-Child
like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all
sides! No
matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who
disparage
him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9
years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not
agree,
but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from
that
long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails
from
people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I
should
defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some
of
the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and
that it
is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then
this
email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new
editor
and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors;
I
now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least
they
are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be
abrasive and
discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr
Shortt
should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of
a
national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of
your
computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit
there
and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make
accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a
man? It
is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders
that
can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and
point
your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to
the
cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
Sent using [1]Zoho Mail
---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<nathan.giles at ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is
enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a
rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit
very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by
Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that
Mike
Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen
to
have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can
find
where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter
on
page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and
duties of
the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates.
Nothing
more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014
newsletter on
page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate
Mike
Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is
required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any
other
members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention
of
the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California
(PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a
Bylaws
requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in
the
November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had
submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot
included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he
acknowledges
he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to
submit
his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election
committee or
the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct
by the
DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due
to a
regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely
lied
about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing
the
cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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John,
Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr.
Shortt
started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts before
backing
someone up.
Forest
__________________________________________________________________
From: John Bennett <jbennett111 at zoho.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Larry Finch
<fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera
related as
it
gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes
there
is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and
Man-Child
like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all
sides!
No
matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who
disparage
him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts
from 9
years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do
not
agree,
but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from
that
long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails
from
people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I
should
defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that
some of
the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and
that
it
is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat.
Then this
email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new
editor
and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous
editors; I
now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At
least they
are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be
abrasive
and
discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr
Shortt
should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative
of a
national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard
of
your
computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit
there
and write things about someone from the safety of your home,
make
accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a
man?
It
is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental
disorders that
can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and
point
your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back
to the
cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<[1]nathan.giles at ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is
enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[2][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted
a
rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to
exhibit
very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by
Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter
that Mike
Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I
happen to
have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I
can
find
where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014
newsletter on
page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and
duties
of
the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates.
Nothing
more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014
newsletter
on
page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate
Mike
Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement
is
required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had
any
other
members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only
mention of
the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California
(PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a
Bylaws
requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included
in
the
November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one
had
submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the
ballot
included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he
acknowledges
he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to
submit
his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election
committee
or
the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any
mis-conduct by
the
DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was
due to
a
regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely
lied
about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing
the
cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new
website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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