[DeTomaso] Quitting POCA for personal reasons

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Thu Jun 30 01:17:50 EDT 2016


Wow Rob.  Maybe you would like to run for POCA President.  You  sound like 
a stand up guy.  Please don't quit the club.  
 
Sandi Snyder
 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2016 12:54:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rob at dumoulins.net writes:

I  suspect that many of you will opt out of reading this declaration.  I
understand and I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it  matches
your reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for  reading.
If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the end. I  hope you
will see that this is not about me, but about POCA.

Months  ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and ignore POCA carnage
around me  while I focused on my own family life and automotive challenges
of getting  1488 put back together.  Weeks ago a decision was reached to not
renew  my POCA membership after being back in POCA for only one shortt but
long  year. The bulk of this email was composed weeks back with the intent
to  publish it only on the POCA site to keep it "in the family".   I
resurrected it now and my reasons to post to this forum are  presented
below.

The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt  that the West Coast
leadership did not share my interests because I lived  on the opposite side
of the country. In fact, I was told such opinions  directly.  With no active
chapter, there was no compelling reason  continue as the only POCA member
within at least 200 miles and I let my  membership expire. Not a big deal.
I leave POCA this time because not  because I am on the opposite side of the
country, but I feel the leadership  has ventured into the opposite side of
my sense of civility. Sadly enough,  I leave at a time when my car is now
restored and I am in a position to  participate more regionally events. I
can live with that especially and  promote Panteras on my own if I do not
have to deal with the  baggage.

As I hinted, reasons for leaving POCA this time are not  because of the
direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to  do it. Being in
the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting the  web-if-ication of the
club, but at the same time I sympathize with and  support almost all of the
stated opposition. Everybody is entitled to an  opinion and observations
over the years has taught me that only  dysfunctional "Families" ignore,
discount, or belittle other member's  opinions.  A case cannot be made that
I am a "criticizer and not a  contributor" to POCA's success. Prior to the
current website launch, I read  the entire web hosting manual (not a small
document to say the least),  offered to help, was micromanaged to the
extreme, tried to quell resistance  on the old email list towards the new
site based on the knowledge I gained  from the manual, all while the hate
speech started to flow from the vocal  portion of the POCA leadership.  At
that point I started to question  the means being used but still wanted to
help the community. I have  contributed to the "Pantera Interior" forum on
the site by adding  instructions on headliner replacement / speaker bar
install in the interest  of advancing the site and helping members. Also, I
envisioned, enhanced and  maintained the interactive graphical US map for
the 911 list to include all  50 states and bordering Canada instead of just
Southeast chapter  participants. I seek nor desire praise for any of it.  In
fact I try  to stay as anonymous as I can because my plate is so full right
now I can  only commit to what i choose to make time for.  I mention this
only so  nobody could say that I was not fully vested in the success of the
'New  POCA' experience and wanted it to succeed.  Anybody  suggesting
otherwise is not genuine or not knowledgeable. Accusations that  more people
are not just jumping on board to help a sinking ship while the  captain is
willfully firing holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in  my opinion
propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright delusional. Not  only can I
not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join POCA right  now, I feel
fortunate that my membership expires soon.

The last  straw that made me no longer willing to watch the berating, hate
speach,  and psychotic behavior was to have a record of it "magically
erased" from  the POCA forum.  For this, I hold the entire BOD responsible.
For  those of you reading this that are not in the 'Free World' or have yet
to  view the POCA site forums regularly, you may accept rewriting of history
as  protocol from your dictator regimes or are unaware of what  is
happening.  Though we may feel helpless to deal with similar  behavior from
our governments, do we really expect to deal with this abuse  from a
freak-in car club?  Does it matter that the POCA forum history  will only
reflect harmony and birds singing in the springtime any time  relevant
questions/discussions not fitting a controlled narrative occur  are
responded to with such revolting and utter contempt?    "Control the
narrative, control the situation" is a common way to erase  skeletons. Just
ask the Clintons (sorry, I had to sneak that shot in), and  some unmentioned
entity which recently tried to intimidate this list from  having their past
inflammatory remarks stripped from the record. Maybe to  some people it does
not matter, but to me it does, thus I walk away from  POCA again.

I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum notifications (not  really missing
much other than the same old impetuous vitriol), will let my  membership
lapse, will no longer support the POCA 911 Emergency Travel  guide and map,
and will not be present at the East Coast Fall event.   I gladly offer to
host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren as they  travel North through
Florida on their way to the event and hope to  participate and support
chapter events as able.

I make the statement  on THIS forum for one simple reason:  I am confident
that such a  declaration would be erased from the POCA forum along with any
character  assassination against me that would follow.  I really would like
to  have a record of fallout spew directed towards me before self-censorship
of  the POCA site occurs.

Notice: Any private responses sent to me on this  or any other topic may be
shared with this community regardless of any  disclaimers on your email
stating not to share it.  I beat you at your  own game by declaring it
first.

Somehow, I suspect that creating the  current POCA toxic atmosphere was done
intentionally. Motives could  be:
- To drive away/discredit any opposition before a passive majority of  its
members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all the  carnage
with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to help, threw stones,  and
statements of good riddance?
- To intimidate and silence opposing  opinions turning them into disengaged
low-information minions who pay  dues?
- A belief that short attention spans will forget this?
- In the  name of progress because the masses are fools that have to be led?
Of  course, these are just conspiracy theories, but my gut and view of
actions  from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them ranges from
a  little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may  vary.

Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech must  be
sanctioned by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have been stopped or at  a
minimum be publicly denounced. Not even once was it denounced nor has  it
diminished. I sincerely hope POCA survives this new public image it  has
created. I feel sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a straight-up guy  to me
that was dealt a rotten situation until you requested that I not to  use
this email forum. If any BOD members are left standing if/when this  ship
sinks, you have only yourselves to blame for allowing one person  to
continue shooting vitriol speech when in hindsight you should have  taken
away his bullet points (not so subtle colloquialism intended).   Even if you
somehow craft an apology or stop the hate speech, don't be  surprised when
it does not fool anybody without actions to back it  up.  True colors have
been shown and they are not pretty.  Sad,  but true that none of this was
even necessary if not for the actions of one  replaceable spokesperson
representing the entire organization and a board  that was indifferent for
reasons unknown to at least me.

I once  considered the current President my friend.  I have attended  events
with him, hosted him and his lovely wife Joanie while they were  attending
the Amelia Island Concourse, and he has hosted myself and my wife  for the
Hilton Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I have no energy  available
to expend for any person or entity with his M.O., especially one  that I pay
dues to support.  Micheal, please erase my contact  information from your
phone, email, and address book.  I suspect we  will never meet again.

For everybody else, thank you all for being  there for me and my car over
these 8 long years of restoration.   Proactive thanks for the years to come
and I welcome the opportunity to  meet and help any of you if the
opportunity ever arises.

Rob  DuMoulin
Caretaker of 1488


I suspect that many of  you will opt out of reading this declaration. I
understand and  I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it matches
your  reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for
reading. If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the end.  I
hope you will see that this is not about me, but about  POCA.A
Months ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and  ignore POCA carnage
around me while I focused on my own family  life and automotive
challenges of getting 1488 put back  together.A  Weeks ago a decision
was reached to not renew  my POCA membership after being back in POCA
for only one  shortt but long year. The bulk of this email was composed
weeks back with the intent to publish it only on the POCA site to  keep
it "in the family".A  I resurrected it now and my  reasons to post to
this forum are presented  below.A
The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt that  the West Coast
leadership did not share my interests because I  lived on the opposite
side of the country. In fact, I was told  such opinions directly.A  With
no active chapter, there  was no compelling reason continue as the only
POCA member  within at least 200 miles and I let my membership expire.
Not  a big deal.A  I leave POCA this time because not because I am  on
the opposite side of the country, but I feel the leadership  has
ventured into the opposite side of my sense of civility.  Sadly enough,
I leave at a time when my car is now restored  and I am in a position to
participate more regionally events.  I can live with that especially and
promote Panteras on my own  if I do not have to deal with the baggage.
As I hinted,  reasons for leaving POCA this time are not because of the
direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to do  it.
Being in the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting  the
web-if-ication of the club, but at the same time I  sympathize with and
support almost all of the stated  opposition. Everybody is entitled to
an opinion and  observations over the years has taught me that only
dysfunctional "Families" ignore, discount, or belittle other  member's
opinions.A  A case cannot be made that I am a  "criticizer and not a
contributor" to POCA's success. Prior to  the current website launch, I
read the entire web hosting  manual (not a small document to say the
least), offered to  help, was micromanaged to the extreme, tried to
quell  resistance on the old email list towards the new site based on
the knowledge I gained from the manual, all while the hate  speech
started to flow from the vocal portion of the POCA  leadership.A  At
that point I started to question the  means being used but still wanted
to help the community. I  have contributed to the "Pantera Interior"
forum on the site  by adding instructions on headliner replacement /
speaker bar  install in the interest of advancing the site and helping
members. Also, I envisioned, enhanced and maintained the  interactive
graphical US map for the 911 list to include all  50 states and
bordering Canada instead of just Southeast  chapter participants. I seek
nor desire praise for any of  it.A  In fact I try to stay as anonymous
as I can because  my plate is so full right now I can only commit to
what i  choose to make time for.A  I mention this only so nobody  could
say that I was not fully vested in the success of the  'New POCA'
experience and wanted it to succeed.A Anybody  suggesting otherwise is
not genuine or not knowledgeable.  Accusations that more people are not
just jumping on board to  help a sinking ship while the captain is
willfully firing  holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in my
opinion  propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright delusional. Not
only can I not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join  POCA
right now, I feel fortunate that my membership expires  soon.
The last straw that made me no longer willing to watch  the berating,
hate speach, and psychotic behavior was to have  a record of it
"magically erased" from the POCA forum.A   For this, I hold the entire
BOD responsible. For those of you  reading this that are not in the
'Free World' or have yet to  view the POCA site forums regularly, you
may accept rewriting  of history as protocol from your dictator regimes
or are  unaware of what is happening.A  Though we may feel helpless  to
deal with similar behavior from our governments, do we  really expect to
deal with this abuse from a freak-in car  club?A  Does it matter that
the POCA forum history will  only reflect harmony and birds singing in
the springtime any  time relevant questions/discussions not fitting a
controlled  narrative occur are responded to with such revolting and
utter  contempt? A  "Control the narrative, control the situation" is  a
common way to erase skeletons. Just ask the Clintons (sorry,  I had to
sneak that shot in), and some unmentioned entity  which recently tried
to intimidate this list from having their  past inflammatory remarks
stripped from the record.A Maybe to  some people it does not matter, but
to me it does, thus I walk  away from POCA again.
I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum  notifications (not really
missing much other than the same old  impetuous vitriol), will let my
membership lapse, will no  longer support the POCA 911 Emergency Travel
guide and map,  and will not be present at the East Coast Fall event.A
I  gladly offer to host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren as  they
travel North through Florida on their way to the event  and hope to
participate and support chapter events as  able.A
I make the statement on THIS forum for one simple  reason: A I am
confident that such a declaration would be  erased from the POCA forum
along with any character  assassination against me that would follow.A
I really would  like to have a record of fallout spew directed towards
me  before self-censorship of the POCA site occurs.A
Notice: Any  private responses sent to me on this or any other topic may
be  shared with this community regardless of any disclaimers on  your
email stating not to share it.A  I beat you at your  own game by
declaring it first.A
Somehow, I  suspect that creating the current POCA toxic atmosphere was
done intentionally. Motives could be:
A - To drive  away/discredit any opposition before a passive majority of
its  members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all  the
carnage with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to  help, threw
stones, and statements of good riddance?  A
A - To intimidate and silence opposing opinions turning them  into
disengaged A low-information minions who pay dues?  A
A - A belief that short attention spans will forget this?  A
A - In the name of progress because the masses are fools  that have to
be led?
Of course, these are  justA conspiracyA theories, but my gut and view of
actions  from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them ranges
from a little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may  vary.
Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech  must be
sanctionedA by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have  been stopped or
at a minimum be publicly denounced. Not even  once was it denounced nor
has it diminished. I sincerely hope  POCA survives this new public image
it has created. I feel  sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a
straight-up guy to me  that was dealt a rotten situation until you
requested that I  not to use this email forum. If any BOD members are
left  standing if/when this ship sinks, you have only yourselves to
blame for allowing one person to continue shooting vitriol speech  when
in hindsight you should have taken away his bullet points  (not so
subtle colloquialism intended).A  Even if you  somehow craft an apology
or stop the hate speech, don't be  surprised when it does not fool
anybody without actions to  back it up.A  True colors have been shown
and they are  not pretty.A  Sad, but true that none of this was even
necessary if not for the actions of one replaceable  spokesperson
representing the entire organization and a board  that was indifferent
for reasons unknown to at least  me.
I once considered the current President my friend.A   I have attended
events with him, hosted him and his lovely  wife Joanie while they were
attending the Amelia Island  Concourse, and he has hosted myself and my
wife for the Hilton  Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I have no
energy  available to expend for any person or entity with his M.O.,
especially one that I pay dues to support.A  Micheal, please erase  my
contact information from your phone, email, and address  book.A  I
suspect we will never meet  again.
For everybody else, thank you all for being there for  me and my car
over these 8 long years of restoration.A   Proactive thanks for the
years to come and I welcome the  opportunity to meet and help any of you
if the opportunity  ever arises.
Rob DuMoulin
Caretaker of  1488


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   Wow Rob.  Maybe you would like to run for POCA President.  You sound
   like a stand up guy.  Please don't quit the club.



   Sandi Snyder



   In a message dated 6/29/2016 12:54:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
   rob at dumoulins.net writes:

     I suspect that many of you will opt out of reading this declaration.
     I
     understand and I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it
     matches
     your reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for
     reading.
     If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the end. I hope
     you
     will see that this is not about me, but about POCA.
     Months ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and ignore POCA
     carnage
     around me while I focused on my own family life and automotive
     challenges
     of getting 1488 put back together.  Weeks ago a decision was reached
     to not
     renew my POCA membership after being back in POCA for only one
     shortt but
     long year. The bulk of this email was composed weeks back with the
     intent
     to publish it only on the POCA site to keep it "in the family".  I
     resurrected it now and my reasons to post to this forum are
     presented
     below.
     The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt that the West
     Coast
     leadership did not share my interests because I lived on the
     opposite side
     of the country. In fact, I was told such opinions directly.  With no
     active
     chapter, there was no compelling reason continue as the only POCA
     member
     within at least 200 miles and I let my membership expire. Not a big
     deal.
     I leave POCA this time because not because I am on the opposite side
     of the
     country, but I feel the leadership has ventured into the opposite
     side of
     my sense of civility. Sadly enough, I leave at a time when my car is
     now
     restored and I am in a position to participate more regionally
     events. I
     can live with that especially and promote Panteras on my own if I do
     not
     have to deal with the baggage.
     As I hinted, reasons for leaving POCA this time are not because of
     the
     direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to do it.
     Being in
     the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting the web-if-ication
     of the
     club, but at the same time I sympathize with and support almost all
     of the
     stated opposition. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and
     observations
     over the years has taught me that only dysfunctional "Families"
     ignore,
     discount, or belittle other member's opinions.  A case cannot be
     made that
     I am a "criticizer and not a contributor" to POCA's success. Prior
     to the
     current website launch, I read the entire web hosting manual (not a
     small
     document to say the least), offered to help, was micromanaged to the
     extreme, tried to quell resistance on the old email list towards the
     new
     site based on the knowledge I gained from the manual, all while the
     hate
     speech started to flow from the vocal portion of the POCA
     leadership.  At
     that point I started to question the means being used but still
     wanted to
     help the community. I have contributed to the "Pantera Interior"
     forum on
     the site by adding instructions on headliner replacement / speaker
     bar
     install in the interest of advancing the site and helping members.
     Also, I
     envisioned, enhanced and maintained the interactive graphical US map
     for
     the 911 list to include all 50 states and bordering Canada instead
     of just
     Southeast chapter participants. I seek nor desire praise for any of
     it.  In
     fact I try to stay as anonymous as I can because my plate is so full
     right
     now I can only commit to what i choose to make time for.  I mention
     this
     only so nobody could say that I was not fully vested in the success
     of the
     'New POCA' experience and wanted it to succeed.  Anybody suggesting
     otherwise is not genuine or not knowledgeable. Accusations that more
     people
     are not just jumping on board to help a sinking ship while the
     captain is
     willfully firing holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in my
     opinion
     propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright delusional. Not only
     can I
     not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join POCA right now, I
     feel
     fortunate that my membership expires soon.
     The last straw that made me no longer willing to watch the berating,
     hate
     speach, and psychotic behavior was to have a record of it "magically
     erased" from the POCA forum.  For this, I hold the entire BOD
     responsible.
     For those of you reading this that are not in the 'Free World' or
     have yet
     to view the POCA site forums regularly, you may accept rewriting of
     history
     as protocol from your dictator regimes or are unaware of what is
     happening.  Though we may feel helpless to deal with similar
     behavior from
     our governments, do we really expect to deal with this abuse from a
     freak-in car club?  Does it matter that the POCA forum history will
     only
     reflect harmony and birds singing in the springtime any time
     relevant
     questions/discussions not fitting a controlled narrative occur are
     responded to with such revolting and utter contempt?   "Control the
     narrative, control the situation" is a common way to erase
     skeletons. Just
     ask the Clintons (sorry, I had to sneak that shot in), and some
     unmentioned
     entity which recently tried to intimidate this list from having
     their past
     inflammatory remarks stripped from the record. Maybe to some people
     it does
     not matter, but to me it does, thus I walk away from POCA again.
     I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum notifications (not really
     missing
     much other than the same old impetuous vitriol), will let my
     membership
     lapse, will no longer support the POCA 911 Emergency Travel guide
     and map,
     and will not be present at the East Coast Fall event.  I gladly
     offer to
     host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren as they travel North
     through
     Florida on their way to the event and hope to participate and
     support
     chapter events as able.
     I make the statement on THIS forum for one simple reason:  I am
     confident
     that such a declaration would be erased from the POCA forum along
     with any
     character assassination against me that would follow.  I really
     would like
     to have a record of fallout spew directed towards me before
     self-censorship
     of the POCA site occurs.
     Notice: Any private responses sent to me on this or any other topic
     may be
     shared with this community regardless of any disclaimers on your
     email
     stating not to share it.  I beat you at your own game by declaring
     it
     first.
     Somehow, I suspect that creating the current POCA toxic atmosphere
     was done
     intentionally. Motives could be:
     - To drive away/discredit any opposition before a passive majority
     of its
     members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all the
     carnage
     with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to help, threw stones,
     and
     statements of good riddance?
     - To intimidate and silence opposing opinions turning them into
     disengaged
     low-information minions who pay dues?
     - A belief that short attention spans will forget this?
     - In the name of progress because the masses are fools that have to
     be led?
     Of course, these are just conspiracy theories, but my gut and view
     of
     actions from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them
     ranges from
     a little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may vary.
     Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech must be
     sanctioned by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have been stopped or
     at a
     minimum be publicly denounced. Not even once was it denounced nor
     has it
     diminished. I sincerely hope POCA survives this new public image it
     has
     created. I feel sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a straight-up
     guy to me
     that was dealt a rotten situation until you requested that I not to
     use
     this email forum. If any BOD members are left standing if/when this
     ship
     sinks, you have only yourselves to blame for allowing one person to
     continue shooting vitriol speech when in hindsight you should have
     taken
     away his bullet points (not so subtle colloquialism intended).  Even
     if you
     somehow craft an apology or stop the hate speech, don't be surprised
     when
     it does not fool anybody without actions to back it up.  True colors
     have
     been shown and they are not pretty.  Sad, but true that none of this
     was
     even necessary if not for the actions of one replaceable
     spokesperson
     representing the entire organization and a board that was
     indifferent for
     reasons unknown to at least me.
     I once considered the current President my friend.  I have attended
     events
     with him, hosted him and his lovely wife Joanie while they were
     attending
     the Amelia Island Concourse, and he has hosted myself and my wife
     for the
     Hilton Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I have no energy
     available
     to expend for any person or entity with his M.O., especially one
     that I pay
     dues to support.  Micheal, please erase my contact information from
     your
     phone, email, and address book.  I suspect we will never meet again.
     For everybody else, thank you all for being there for me and my car
     over
     these 8 long years of restoration.  Proactive thanks for the years
     to come
     and I welcome the opportunity to meet and help any of you if the
     opportunity ever arises.
     Rob DuMoulin
     Caretaker of 1488
        I suspect that many of you will opt out of reading this
     declaration. I
        understand and I am fairly confident that the reason I wrote it
     matches
        your reason for not wanting to read it. If you do, thank you for
        reading. If you reply, please do so only after reading it to the
     end. I
        hope you will see that this is not about me, but about POCA.A
        Months ago, I resigned to sit on the sidelines and ignore POCA
     carnage
        around me while I focused on my own family life and automotive
        challenges of getting 1488 put back together.A  Weeks ago a
     decision
        was reached to not renew my POCA membership after being back in
     POCA
        for only one shortt but long year. The bulk of this email was
     composed
        weeks back with the intent to publish it only on the POCA site to
     keep
        it "in the family".A  I resurrected it now and my reasons to post
     to
        this forum are presented below.A
        The first time I left POCA, it was because I felt that the West
     Coast
        leadership did not share my interests because I lived on the
     opposite
        side of the country. In fact, I was told such opinions
     directly.A  With
        no active chapter, there was no compelling reason continue as the
     only
        POCA member within at least 200 miles and I let my membership
     expire.
        Not a big deal.A  I leave POCA this time because not because I am
     on
        the opposite side of the country, but I feel the leadership has
        ventured into the opposite side of my sense of civility. Sadly
     enough,
        I leave at a time when my car is now restored and I am in a
     position to
        participate more regionally events. I can live with that
     especially and
        promote Panteras on my own if I do not have to deal with the
     baggage.
        As I hinted, reasons for leaving POCA this time are not because
     of the
        direction the club was going, but rather the means taken to do
     it.
        Being in the IT world, I am certainly biased in supporting the
        web-if-ication of the club, but at the same time I sympathize
     with and
        support almost all of the stated opposition. Everybody is
     entitled to
        an opinion and observations over the years has taught me that
     only
        dysfunctional "Families" ignore, discount, or belittle other
     member's
        opinions.A  A case cannot be made that I am a "criticizer and not
     a
        contributor" to POCA's success. Prior to the current website
     launch, I
        read the entire web hosting manual (not a small document to say
     the
        least), offered to help, was micromanaged to the extreme, tried
     to
        quell resistance on the old email list towards the new site based
     on
        the knowledge I gained from the manual, all while the hate speech
        started to flow from the vocal portion of the POCA leadership.A
     At
        that point I started to question the means being used but still
     wanted
        to help the community. I have contributed to the "Pantera
     Interior"
        forum on the site by adding instructions on headliner replacement
     /
        speaker bar install in the interest of advancing the site and
     helping
        members. Also, I envisioned, enhanced and maintained the
     interactive
        graphical US map for the 911 list to include all 50 states and
        bordering Canada instead of just Southeast chapter participants.
     I seek
        nor desire praise for any of it.A  In fact I try to stay as
     anonymous
        as I can because my plate is so full right now I can only commit
     to
        what i choose to make time for.A  I mention this only so nobody
     could
        say that I was not fully vested in the success of the 'New POCA'
        experience and wanted it to succeed.A Anybody suggesting
     otherwise is
        not genuine or not knowledgeable. Accusations that more people
     are not
        just jumping on board to help a sinking ship while the captain is
        willfully firing holes in the hull is utterly insane and is in my
        opinion propaganda, denial of self blame, or downright
     delusional. Not
        only can I not in good conscious recruit anybody else to join
     POCA
        right now, I feel fortunate that my membership expires soon.
        The last straw that made me no longer willing to watch the
     berating,
        hate speach, and psychotic behavior was to have a record of it
        "magically erased" from the POCA forum.A  For this, I hold the
     entire
        BOD responsible. For those of you reading this that are not in
     the
        'Free World' or have yet to view the POCA site forums regularly,
     you
        may accept rewriting of history as protocol from your dictator
     regimes
        or are unaware of what is happening.A  Though we may feel
     helpless to
        deal with similar behavior from our governments, do we really
     expect to
        deal with this abuse from a freak-in car club?A  Does it matter
     that
        the POCA forum history will only reflect harmony and birds
     singing in
        the springtime any time relevant questions/discussions not
     fitting a
        controlled narrative occur are responded to with such revolting
     and
        utter contempt? A  "Control the narrative, control the situation"
     is a
        common way to erase skeletons. Just ask the Clintons (sorry, I
     had to
        sneak that shot in), and some unmentioned entity which recently
     tried
        to intimidate this list from having their past inflammatory
     remarks
        stripped from the record.A Maybe to some people it does not
     matter, but
        to me it does, thus I walk away from POCA again.
        I have unsubscribed from all POCA forum notifications (not really
        missing much other than the same old impetuous vitriol), will let
     my
        membership lapse, will no longer support the POCA 911 Emergency
     Travel
        guide and map, and will not be present at the East Coast Fall
     event.A
        I gladly offer to host any of the wonderful SE Pantera brethren
     as they
        travel North through Florida on their way to the event and hope
     to
        participate and support chapter events as able.A
        I make the statement on THIS forum for one simple reason: A I am
        confident that such a declaration would be erased from the POCA
     forum
        along with any character assassination against me that would
     follow.A
        I really would like to have a record of fallout spew directed
     towards
        me before self-censorship of the POCA site occurs.A
        Notice: Any private responses sent to me on this or any other
     topic may
        be shared with this community regardless of any disclaimers on
     your
        email stating not to share it.A  I beat you at your own game by
        declaring it first.A
        Somehow, I suspect that creating the current POCA toxic
     atmosphere was
        done intentionally. Motives could be:
        A - To drive away/discredit any opposition before a passive
     majority of
        its members subscribe to forum emails, then erase/replace it all
     the
        carnage with a narrative of how nobody volunteered to help, threw
        stones, and statements of good riddance? A
        A - To intimidate and silence opposing opinions turning them into
        disengaged A low-information minions who pay dues? A
        A - A belief that short attention spans will forget this? A
        A - In the name of progress because the masses are fools that
     have to
        be led?
        Of course, these are justA conspiracyA theories, but my gut and
     view of
        actions from the inside says the degree of truth to all of them
     ranges
        from a little to right on the money. Your gastric outcomes may
     vary.
        Regardless of the motives, such activity and hate speech must be
        sanctionedA by the POCA BOD, otherwise, it would have been
     stopped or
        at a minimum be publicly denounced. Not even once was it
     denounced nor
        has it diminished. I sincerely hope POCA survives this new public
     image
        it has created. I feel sorry for you Ed L. You seemed like a
        straight-up guy to me that was dealt a rotten situation until you
        requested that I not to use this email forum. If any BOD members
     are
        left standing if/when this ship sinks, you have only yourselves
     to
        blame for allowing one person to continue shooting vitriol speech
     when
        in hindsight you should have taken away his bullet points (not so
        subtle colloquialism intended).A  Even if you somehow craft an
     apology
        or stop the hate speech, don't be surprised when it does not fool
        anybody without actions to back it up.A  True colors have been
     shown
        and they are not pretty.A  Sad, but true that none of this was
     even
        necessary if not for the actions of one replaceable spokesperson
        representing the entire organization and a board that was
     indifferent
        for reasons unknown to at least me.
        I once considered the current President my friend.A  I have
     attended
        events with him, hosted him and his lovely wife Joanie while they
     were
        attending the Amelia Island Concourse, and he has hosted myself
     and my
        wife for the Hilton Head Concourse. At this stage in my life, I
     have no
        energy available to expend for any person or entity with his
     M.O.,
        especially one that I pay dues to support.A  Micheal, please
     erase my
        contact information from your phone, email, and address book.A  I
        suspect we will never meet again.
        For everybody else, thank you all for being there for me and my
     car
        over these 8 long years of restoration.A  Proactive thanks for
     the
        years to come and I welcome the opportunity to meet and help any
     of you
        if the opportunity ever arises.
        Rob DuMoulin
        Caretaker of 1488
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