[DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
Jeff Cobb
jeffcobb1 at me.com
Tue Jun 28 15:45:32 EDT 2016
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ABOUT OVERHEATING
AND FAN ROTATIONAL DIRECTION THEORIES????
Jeff Cobb
On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com> wrote:
> Too much time and energy is being spent on this BS. Can we please just get back to the business of playing with our cars!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <dave at damardirect.com>
> To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard at richardgreenblum.com>, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>
> That is also a great idea.
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>
> This is getting old!
> Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work?
> SadThe other Curt
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers.
> The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is
> simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form.
> However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an
> application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit
> cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created
> unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may
> not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free
> nature.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> #7080
>
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54
> To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino at aol.com>
> Cc: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>
> You can look at this government publication:
> [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf
> Starting at the bottom of page 3:
> How to Secure a Copyright
> Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
> The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently
> misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the
> Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following
> note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to
> registration.
> See Copyright Registration on page 7.
> and on page 7:
> a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration
> is
> necessary for works of U. S. origin.
> There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a
> copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall
> within
> the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected
> position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for
> the
> position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along
> with
> your comments.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino at aol.com>
> Cc: [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
> Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA.
> A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the
> copyright law with The Secretary of State.
> I own four copyrights and trademarks.
> Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine
> regardless of paperwork because
> it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain.
> Jeff Cobb
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
> <[2][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon
> as
>> someone creates something, that person has the copyright to
> it. So
> if
>> I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my
> Pantera,"
> I
>> have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to
>> someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and
> '70's
>> clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the
> record
>> companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
>>
>> So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various
> posts
>> written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some
> company
>> is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone
> who
>> posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is
> written
>> there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who,
> exactly,
> is
>> the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the
> copyright
>> infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only
> file
>> a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure
> does
>> include that.
>>
>> Jim Oddie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>> Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>> If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and
> the
>> "list"
>> consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems
> appropriate
> in
>> such discussions.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
> [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Jeff Cobb
>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM
>> To: [2][6][16]audionut at hushmail.com
>> Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>> Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity.
>> Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end.
>> And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently,
> "my"
>> list
>> is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought,
> then
>> write
>> and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state
> if
>> you-us
>> are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong.
>> SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your
> answer.
>> Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your
> problem
>> watchdog
>> person state if what you-us are doing is wrong.
>> CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR.
>> No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well.
>> Not all dogs bite.
>> Know where you are walking.
>> Lawyers will just f**k small things up.
>> This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer.
>> Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems.
>> Jeff Cobb
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut at hushmail.com
> wrote:
>>> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No
> need
>>> to hassle incorporating the forum.
>>>
>>>
>>> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats
> because
>> it's
>>> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to
> time,
>>> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her
> out
>>> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day
> she
>>> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
>>>
>>>
>>> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
>> that
>>> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people
> tend
>> to
>>> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated,
>> dark
>>> world of the lawsuit.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this
> nonsense--
>>>
>>>
>>> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay
> a
>>> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing.
>>> Sent using Hushmail
>>> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich"
> <[5][9][19]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kurt,
>>> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation
> to
>>> run
>>> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal
>>> assets
>>> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad
> to
>>> fund the
>>> cost.
>>> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion
>>> 6559
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes
> <[6][10][20]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night
>>> warning me
>>>> to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating
> copyrights.
>>>>
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