[DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
Nathan Giles
nathan.giles at ex3.com
Tue Jun 28 13:55:21 EDT 2016
Too much time and energy is being spent on this BS. Can we please just get back to the business of playing with our cars!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave at damardirect.com>
To: "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "Richard Greenblum" <Richard at richardgreenblum.com>, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:30 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
That is also a great idea.
IndyDave
-----Original Message-----
From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:35 PM
To: Richard Greenblum; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
This is getting old!
Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came from MS? Would that work?
SadThe other Curt
On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum <Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers.
The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is
simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form.
However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an
application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit
cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created
unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may
not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free
nature.
Richard
Austin, TX
#7080
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54
To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino at aol.com>
Cc: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
You can look at this government publication:
[1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf
Starting at the bottom of page 3:
How to Secure a Copyright
Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently
misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the
Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following
note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to
registration.
See Copyright Registration on page 7.
and on page 7:
a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration
is
necessary for works of U. S. origin.
There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a
copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall
within
the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected
position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for
the
position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along
with
your comments.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino at aol.com>
Cc: [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA.
A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the
copyright law with The Secretary of State.
I own four copyrights and trademarks.
Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine
regardless of paperwork because
it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain.
Jeff Cobb
On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
<[2][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon
as
> someone creates something, that person has the copyright to
it. So
if
> I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my
Pantera,"
I
> have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to
> someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and
'70's
> clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the
record
> companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
>
> So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various
posts
> written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some
company
> is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone
who
> posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is
written
> there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who,
exactly,
is
> the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the
copyright
> infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only
file
> a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure
does
> include that.
>
> Jim Oddie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
> If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and
the
> "list"
> consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems
appropriate
in
> such discussions.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Jeff Cobb
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM
> To: [2][6][16]audionut at hushmail.com
> Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
> Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity.
> Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end.
> And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently,
"my"
> list
> is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought,
then
> write
> and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state
if
> you-us
> are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong.
> SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your
answer.
> Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your
problem
> watchdog
> person state if what you-us are doing is wrong.
> CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR.
> No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well.
> Not all dogs bite.
> Know where you are walking.
> Lawyers will just f**k small things up.
> This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer.
> Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems.
> Jeff Cobb
> -----------------------------------------------------
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut at hushmail.com
wrote:
>> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No
need
>> to hassle incorporating the forum.
>>
>>
>> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats
because
> it's
>> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to
time,
>> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her
out
>> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day
she
>> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
>>
>>
>> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
> that
>> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people
tend
> to
>> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated,
> dark
>> world of the lawsuit.
>>
>>
>> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this
nonsense--
>>
>>
>> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay
a
>> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing.
>> Sent using Hushmail
>> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich"
<[5][9][19]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kurt,
>> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation
to
>> run
>> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal
>> assets
>> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad
to
>> fund the
>> cost.
>> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion
>> 6559
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes
<[6][10][20]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
> wrote:
>>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night
>> warning me
>>> to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating
copyrights.
>>>
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