[DeTomaso] Again with the threats!

Asa Jay Laughton asajay at asajay.com
Mon Jun 27 13:47:14 EDT 2016


Because of two things really.... one, it's not the Pantera content  
emails he's fussing about, and two, it's very difficult to remove  
emails from a specific person in the Mailman system.  Not impossible,  
but extremely difficult.

As was pointed out, this thread was more-or-less accidentally  
resurrected by someone responding to a rather old posting.  I think  
Kurt has it all well in hand and we can probably drop the issue and  
get back to bench racing.
:)
Asa  Jay

Quoting Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>:

> This is getting old!
> Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came  
> from MS? Would that work?
> SadThe other Curt 
>
>     On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum  
> <Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>
>
>    I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers.
>     The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is
>   simple.  The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form.
>     However, it is not enforceable until it is registered.  If there is an
>   application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit
>   cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created
>   unless someone registered it.  As has been noted before, this forum may
>   not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free
>   nature.
>   Richard
>   Austin, TX
>   #7080
>
>   From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>   of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>   Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54
>   To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino at aol.com>
>   Cc: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>   <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>
>       You can look at this government publication:
>       [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf
>       Starting at the bottom of page 3:
>       How to Secure a Copyright
>       Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
>       The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently
>       misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the
>       Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following
>       note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to
>   registration.
>       See Copyright Registration on page 7.
>       and on page 7:
>       a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration
>   is
>       necessary for works of U. S. origin.
>       There is a safe harbor for fair use.  If you take just part of a
>       copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall
>   within
>       the safe harbor.  So, for example, if someone running for an elected
>       position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for
>   the
>       position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along
>   with
>       your comments.
>       Ken
>         __________________________________________________________________
>       From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
>       To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino at aol.com>
>       Cc: [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM
>       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>       Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA.
>       A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the
>       copyright law with The Secretary of State.
>       I own four copyrights and trademarks.
>       Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine
>       regardless of paperwork because
>       it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain.
>       Jeff Cobb
>       On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
>       <[2][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>       >  I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon
>   as
>       >  someone creates something, that person has the copyright to
>   it.  So
>       if
>       >  I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my
>   Pantera,"
>       I
>       >  have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to
>       >  someone else.  This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and
>       '70's
>       >  clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the
>       record
>       >  companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
>       >
>       >  So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various
>       posts
>       >  written by individuals as friends.  So unless someone or some
>       company
>       >  is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone
>   who
>       >  posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is
>   written
>       >  there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense.  And who,
>   exactly,
>       is
>       >  the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the
>   copyright
>       >  infringement?  If the owner is the Club, the President could only
>       file
>       >  a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure
>   does
>       >  include that.
>       >
>       >  Jim Oddie
>       >
>       >  -----Original Message-----
>       >  From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
>       >  Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>       >  Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am
>       >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>       >  If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and
>   the
>       >  "list"
>       >  consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems
>   appropriate
>       in
>       >  such discussions.
>       >  -----Original Message-----
>       >  From: DeTomaso
>       [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>       >  Behalf
>       >  Of Jeff Cobb
>       >  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM
>       >  To: [2][6][16]audionut at hushmail.com
>       >  Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>       >  Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity.
>       >  Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end.
>       >  And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently,
>       "my"
>       >  list
>       >  is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought,
>   then
>       >  write
>       >  and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state
>   if
>       >  you-us
>       >  are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong.
>       >  SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your
>       answer.
>       >  Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your
>   problem
>       >  watchdog
>       >  person state if what you-us are doing is wrong.
>       >  CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR.
>       >  No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well.
>       >  Not all dogs bite.
>       >  Know where you are walking.
>       >  Lawyers will just f**k small things up.
>       >  This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer.
>       >  Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems.
>       >  Jeff Cobb
>       >  -----------------------------------------------------
>       >  On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut at hushmail.com
>   wrote:
>       >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No
>   need
>       >> to hassle incorporating the forum.
>       >>
>       >>
>       >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats
>   because
>       >  it's
>       >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to
>       time,
>       >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her
>       out
>       >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day
>   she
>       >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
>       >>
>       >>
>       >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
>       >  that
>       >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people
>   tend
>       >  to
>       >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated,
>       >  dark
>       >> world of the lawsuit.
>       >>
>       >>
>       >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this
>   nonsense--
>       >>
>       >>
>       >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay
>   a
>       >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing.
>       >> Sent using Hushmail
>       >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich"
>       <[5][9][19]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
>       >> wrote:
>       >>
>       >> Kurt,
>       >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation
>   to
>       >> run
>       >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal
>       >> assets
>       >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad
>   to
>       >> fund the
>       >> cost.
>       >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion
>       >> 6559
>       >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes
>   <[6][10][20]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
>       >  wrote:
>       >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night
>       >> warning me
>       >>> to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating
>   copyrights.
>       >>>
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>       >  1. [28]mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
>       >  2. [29]mailto:[19]audionut at hushmail.com
>       >  3. [30]mailto:[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       >  4. [31]mailto:[21]audionut at hushmail.com
>       >  5. [32]mailto:[22]jjdetrich at gmail.com
>       >  6. [33]mailto:[23]kdb at kbyrnes.com
>       >  7. [34]mailto:[24]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       >  8.
>   [25][35]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>       >  9.
>   [26][36]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>       >  10. [37]mailto:[27]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       >  11.
>   [28][38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>       >  12. [39]mailto:[29]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       >  13.
>   [30][40]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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