[DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
Asa Jay Laughton
asajay at asajay.com
Mon Jun 27 13:47:14 EDT 2016
Because of two things really.... one, it's not the Pantera content
emails he's fussing about, and two, it's very difficult to remove
emails from a specific person in the Mailman system. Not impossible,
but extremely difficult.
As was pointed out, this thread was more-or-less accidentally
resurrected by someone responding to a rather old posting. I think
Kurt has it all well in hand and we can probably drop the issue and
get back to bench racing.
:)
Asa Jay
Quoting Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>:
> This is getting old!
> Why not just Delete any Email that has any Pantera content that came
> from MS? Would that work?
> SadThe other Curt
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 AM, Richard Greenblum
> <Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a construction lawyer, but I office with two entertainment lawyers.
> The answer I got to copyright protection (in the music industry) is
> simple. The copyright is created when the work takes a tangible form.
> However, it is not enforceable until it is registered. If there is an
> application of the law as to creative work to the email forum, suit
> cannot be filed regarding any copyright that may have been created
> unless someone registered it. As has been noted before, this forum may
> not lend itself to any copyright claims due to its open and free
> nature.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> #7080
>
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Reply-To: Ken Green <[3]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 18:54
> To: Jeff Cobb <[4]jeffcobb1 at me.com>, Pantdino <[5]pantdino at aol.com>
> Cc: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
>
> You can look at this government publication:
> [1][8]http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf
> Starting at the bottom of page 3:
> How to Secure a Copyright
> Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
> The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently
> misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the
> Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. See the following
> note. There are, however, certain definite advantages to
> registration.
> See Copyright Registration on page 7.
> and on page 7:
> a-c- Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration
> is
> necessary for works of U. S. origin.
> There is a safe harbor for fair use. If you take just part of a
> copyrighted work, and repost it commenting on it, it should fall
> within
> the safe harbor. So, for example, if someone running for an elected
> position, had made posts which might reflect on his suitability for
> the
> position, you should be able to repost portions of interest along
> with
> your comments.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Jeff Cobb <[9]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
> To: Pantdino <[10]pantdino at aol.com>
> Cc: [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
> Not true, Jim Oddie, in Louisiana and most if not all of USA.
> A person must apply, sign documents and pay for the security of the
> copyright law with The Secretary of State.
> I own four copyrights and trademarks.
> Yet the trademark for my 34 year old business name would be mine
> regardless of paperwork because
> it has and is fact that I should own it by reason of domain.
> Jeff Cobb
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
> <[2][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > I am not a copyright lawyer, but my understanding is that as soon
> as
> > someone creates something, that person has the copyright to
> it. So
> if
> > I write a post describing "how I change the coolant in my
> Pantera,"
> I
> > have the copyright to that unless I specifically sign it over to
> > someone else. This is the issue the musicians of the '60's and
> '70's
> > clarified when they said they owned the music they wrote and the
> record
> > companies said they did. The courts found for the musicians.
> >
> > So I don't see how anyone has the copyright to a bunch of various
> posts
> > written by individuals as friends. So unless someone or some
> company
> > is the official owner of the list and they have warned everyone
> who
> > posts on it that they then hold the copyright to whatever is
> written
> > there, the idea of a lawsuit does not make sense. And who,
> exactly,
> is
> > the owner and how would one assign monetary damages to the
> copyright
> > infringement? If the owner is the Club, the President could only
> file
> > a lawsuit in compliance with the Club charter, which I'm sure
> does
> > include that.
> >
> > Jim Oddie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3][13]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> > Cc: detomaso <[4][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 10:21 am
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
> > If the problem is "your list" is in violation of something, and
> the
> > "list"
> > consist of all of "us", then including the list/us seems
> appropriate
> in
> > such discussions.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[1][15]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Jeff Cobb
> > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 13:08 PM
> > To: [2][6][16]audionut at hushmail.com
> > Cc: [3][7][17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Again with the threats!
> > Thank you sir, audionut, for some clarity.
> > Maybe this thread-neurosis may come to an end.
> > And Kurt, if this belief and understandable worry ***Apparently,
> "my"
> > list
> > is violating copyrights,**** is worth a minute of your thought,
> then
> > write
> > and ask your accuser and cc the group to have your accuser state
> if
> > you-us
> > are or if you-us are not apparently doing a wrong.
> > SIMPLE and if this person does not respond then you have your
> answer.
> > Since you seem unclear and worried then YOU MUST have your
> problem
> > watchdog
> > person state if what you-us are doing is wrong.
> > CLARITY WILL KILL THIS FEAR.
> > No induced problem, no wrong and no accuser then all is well.
> > Not all dogs bite.
> > Know where you are walking.
> > Lawyers will just f**k small things up.
> > This perceived issue is just a 5 hr pimple not skin cancer.
> > Keep the lawyers at bay for the big problems.
> > Jeff Cobb
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > On Jun 26, 2016, at 11:37 AM, [4][8][18]audionut at hushmail.com
> wrote:
> >> Relax. This is ludicrous. Absolutely nothing to worry about. No
> need
> >> to hassle incorporating the forum.
> >>
> >>
> >> Disturbed, snippety people scare others with legal threats
> because
> > it's
> >> so easy. My schizophrenic, homeless sister does it from time to
> time,
> >> threatening my family with legal action ever since my Dad cut her
> out
> >> of his will over 20 years ago. He died in 1996 but to this day
> she
> >> still pulls this one out of her crazy bag and lobs it at us.
> >>
> >>
> >> The law is frighteningly confusing to most people and we all know
> > that
> >> many lawyers are, shall we say, less than scrupulous so people
> tend
> > to
> >> get a bit scared when threatened with the expensive, complicated,
> > dark
> >> world of the lawsuit.
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't waste a dime or another thought worrying about this
> nonsense--
> >>
> >>
> >> But, if you are truly worried and losing sleep over this, go pay
> a
> >> lawyer $100 and he/she will tell you the same thing.
> >> Sent using Hushmail
> >> On June 26, 2016 at 9:10 AM, "Jeff Detrich"
> <[5][9][19]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Kurt,
> >> I'm not a lawyer, but you might think about forming a corporation
> to
> >> run
> >> the email list. It's an inexpensive way to protect your personal
> >> assets
> >> should this get ugly and I would think most of us would be glad
> to
> >> fund the
> >> cost.
> >> Jeff - I can't believe we are having this discussion
> >> 6559
> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Kurt Byrnes
> <[6][10][20]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> Just so everyone is aware, I was sent another email last night
> >> warning me
> >>> to hire an lawyer. Apparently, "my" list is violating
> copyrights.
> >>>
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