[DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber bushings fit between ears?
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Sun Jun 12 21:49:10 EDT 2016
You are correct that if the ears are warn, the right figure could compensate. But I don't think they are warn, so the center should be OK. I like being able to use the shims to keep the rubber from being squeezed. The shims also would let me correct for any lateral misalignment in the ears.
Ken
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber bushings fit between ears?
Sounds like a plan. I am reading your plan as the center illustration.
Something that might affect your stacking dimensions would be the area
around the holes in the ears have been rounded thinner than the main
ear thickness due to tighting to the steel tube. Thus the far right
illustration could compensated for damaged ear holes
Joe
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 13:39 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber bushings
fit between ears?
Hi Joe,
Ya, it's a 3 piece design.
I was playing around with parts last night and noticed that the
steel tube in some misc control arm bushings I have are 1 and 13/16 and
a perfect fit between the ear, and also have the right 3/4 inch OD for
the plastic parts. I can use the 1 7/16 plastic parts with the 1 13/16
tubes and use 3/4 inch washers to center the bushings. Then I can fit
the washers to snugly, not tightly, fill the gaps with the metal tube
held tightly between the ears. I like this approach and I think this
lets the parts work the way they are intended.
Ken
_______________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: 'Ken Green' <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber bushings
fit between ears?
Are the bushings a 3 piece design, That is an inner sleeve and rubbers
for each side?
I would think the shock would be similar to the arm bushings in that
the "sleeve" would allow you to solidly clamp down on the bolt without
compressing the rubber.
Will the shock width allow the use of the 1.44" bushings? Is so, using
plain steel washers to make the length of the sleeve to fit the 1.81"
ears.
Joe/5177
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber bushings fit
between ears?
I have new shock absorbers that came with bushings to wide to easily
fit between the mount ears. I received a drawing from Joe Byre
(thanks) that showed the ears to be 46 +- .5 mm, or about 1 and 13/16.
The shock bushings are 1 and 7/8, 1/16 wider. While I could muscle
them in and then tighten the bolts, the result is likely to cause early
shock failure because the shocks cannot be so tight that they cannot
slightly pivot, and being pinched between the ears may cause early
failure (confirmed by the manufacturer).
I also have a set of 1 and 7/16 bushings, so I could use 3/8 inches of
washer, etc. and properly fill the gap. McMaster has oil embedded
thrust bearings in 1/8 and 1/16 for a little over a buck, so only about
$7 per shock, only about $30 total. This seems like a good solution,
any comments?
Ken
References
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2. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
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You are correct that if the ears are warn, the right figure could
compensate. But I don't think they are warn, so the center should be
OK. I like being able to use the shims to keep the rubber from being
squeezed. The shims also would let me correct for any lateral
misalignment in the ears.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber bushings
fit between ears?
Sounds like a plan. I am reading your plan as the center
illustration.
Something that might affect your stacking dimensions would be the
area
around the holes in the ears have been rounded thinner than the main
ear thickness due to tighting to the steel tube. Thus the far right
illustration could compensated for damaged ear holes
Joe
From: Ken Green [mailto:[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 13:39 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Cc: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber
bushings
fit between ears?
Hi Joe,
Ya, it's a 3 piece design.
I was playing around with parts last night and noticed that the
steel tube in some misc control arm bushings I have are 1 and 13/16
and
a perfect fit between the ear, and also have the right 3/4 inch OD
for
the plastic parts. I can use the 1 7/16 plastic parts with the 1
13/16
tubes and use 3/4 inch washers to center the bushings. Then I can
fit
the washers to snugly, not tightly, fill the gaps with the metal tube
held tightly between the ears. I like this approach and I think this
lets the parts work the way they are intended.
Ken
_______________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1][3]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: 'Ken Green' <[2][4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: [3][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber
bushings
fit between ears?
Are the bushings a 3 piece design, That is an inner sleeve and
rubbers
for each side?
I would think the shock would be similar to the arm bushings in that
the "sleeve" would allow you to solidly clamp down on the bolt
without
compressing the rubber.
Will the shock width allow the use of the 1.44" bushings? Is so,
using
plain steel washers to make the length of the sleeve to fit the 1.81"
ears.
Joe/5177
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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 17:55 PM
To: DeTomaso List
Subject: [DeTomaso] Shimms to make narrower shock absorber bushings
fit
between ears?
I have new shock absorbers that came with bushings to wide to easily
fit between the mount ears. I received a drawing from Joe Byre
(thanks) that showed the ears to be 46 +- .5 mm, or about 1 and
13/16.
The shock bushings are 1 and 7/8, 1/16 wider. While I could muscle
them in and then tighten the bolts, the result is likely to cause
early
shock failure because the shocks cannot be so tight that they cannot
slightly pivot, and being pinched between the ears may cause early
failure (confirmed by the manufacturer).
I also have a set of 1 and 7/16 bushings, so I could use 3/8 inches
of
washer, etc. and properly fill the gap. McMaster has oil embedded
thrust bearings in 1/8 and 1/16 for a little over a buck, so only
about
$7 per shock, only about $30 total. This seems like a good solution,
any comments?
Ken
References
1. mailto:[7]byrdjf at embarqmail.com
2. mailto:[8]kenn_green at yahoo.com
3. mailto:[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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