[DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Jack Donahue
demongusta at gmail.com
Sun Jun 12 13:38:45 EDT 2016
Ken,
i had read that article back in Jan. 2013 - Kirby sent it to me. John Taphorn has A LOT going on in that car.
Jack
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> People have used the Ford "Police Car" oil to water heat exchangers which you can get for maybe $100, or more expensive race car varieties. John Taphor included a similar axial flow oil to water heat exchanger in his excellent cooling update article:
>
> http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf <http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
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> Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get the feeling, however, that it’s a waste of time, which sounds good/great to me. The old “track-pushing-hard” syndrome left me a few years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on hot days in traffic.
>
> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
> >
> > AJ,
> >
> > Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
> >>
> >> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
> >>
> >> Your mileage may vary,
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>:
> >>
> >>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated.
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Ken,
i had read that article back in Jan. 2013 - Kirby sent it to me. John
Taphorn has A LOT going on in that car.
Jack
On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
Jack,
People have used the Ford "Police Car" oil to water heat exchangers
which you can get for maybe $100, or more expensive race car
varieties. John Taphor included a similar axial flow oil to water heat
exchanger in his excellent cooling update article:
[2]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.
pdf
Ken
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From: Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an
air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C
condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original
condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get
the feeling, however, that it's a waste of time, which sounds
good/great to me. The old "track-pushing-hard" syndrome left me a few
years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on
hot days in traffic.
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> AJ,
>
> Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
freeway speeds?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <[8]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
>
>> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this
topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290.
That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the
information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around
230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run
Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I
don't have the spec in front of me.
>>
>> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a
racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120
class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right
around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd
need to add an oil cooler.
>>
>> Your mileage may vary,
>> Asa Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jack Donahue <[9]demongusta at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and
topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump,
thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue
the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an
oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get
in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need
some feedback. All input is appreciated.
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References
1. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
2. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf
3. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
8. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
9. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
12. http://www.w7tsc.org/
13. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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