[DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Brian Dudley
bd8134 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 12 12:25:33 EDT 2016
I plumbed it in via the heater hoses. Some Cobra Mustangs have a special
lower radiator hose.
I use an electric heater valve which is mounted by the a/c compressor and
has 4 ports so there is constant water flow going through the oil/water
exchanger.
All the Ford cars we have use a similar exchanger, the unit I used added 2"
to the length of oil filter, the long Motorcraft FL1A style filter still
fits well.
The important parts to me is getting the engine oil to temp in cooler
climates with a 10 qt pan and not having to mess about with oil hoses,
thermostat, location, etc on an external cooler.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 4:46 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
> That type of oil cooler was used on Volvo P1800 in the sixties already.
> They have a big advantage in requiring no extrenal oil lines at all. I
> don't know how well they work cooling, I guess it depends on how much water
> you can pass through it. How do you route water through it Brian?
>
> Tomas
>
>
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> *From: Brian Dudley [bd8134 at gmail.com <bd8134 at gmail.com>]*
> Sent: 12/6/2016 12:48:01 AM
> To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
>
> I have a oil/ water heat exchanger which is the type mounted under the oil
> filter. I have a water temp sender installed in an Amando oil pan with a
> switch under the dash, one position for water temp the other for oil temp.
> The oil does heat up quicker with this setup and the oil temp does read
> higher than the water. I use a 190 F thermostat, never seen the temp
> excessively high with spirited driving. No track use.
> YMMV
>
> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:41 PM, <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> <
> jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to
> Asa.
> >
> > With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches the
> coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to 190
> degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and
> horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing was
> 220 degrees, not 230.
> >
> > The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold
> engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker.
> >
> > JT
> > ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > AJ,
> >
> > Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
> freeway speeds?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic,
> I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a
> nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes
> me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter
> than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and
> there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front
> of me.
> >>
> >> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer
> will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent
> a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew
> if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
> >>
> >> Your mileage may vary,
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic
> of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump,
> thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the
> oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil
> temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line)
> is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some
> feedback. All input is appreciated.
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I plumbed it in via the heater hoses. Some Cobra Mustangs have a
special lower radiator hose.
I use an electric heater valve which is mounted by the a/c compressor
and has 4 ports so there is constant water flow going through the
oil/water exchanger.
All the Ford cars we have use a similar exchanger, the unit I used
added 2" to the length of oil filter, the long Motorcraft FL1A style
filter still fits well.
The important parts to me is getting the engine oil to temp in cooler
climates with a 10 qt pan and not having to mess about with oil hoses,
thermostat, location, etc on an external cooler.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 4:46 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[1]guson at home.se>
wrote:
That type of oil cooler was used on Volvo P1800 in the sixties already.
They have a big advantage in requiring no extrenal oil lines at all. I
don't know how well they work cooling, I guess it depends on how much
water you can pass through it. How do you route water through it Brian?
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
A A From: Brian Dudley [[2]bd8134 at gmail.com]
Sent: 12/6/2016 12:48:01 AM
To: [3]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com;[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperatureA
I have a oil/ water heat exchanger which is the type mounted under the
oil filter. I have a water temp sender installed in an Amando oil pan
with a switch under the dash, one position for water temp the other for
oil temp. The oil does heat up quicker with this setup and the oil temp
does read higher than the water. I use a 190 F thermostat, never seen
the temp excessively high with spirited driving. No track use.
YMMV
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:41 PM, <[6]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
<[7]jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited
to Asa.
>
> With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches
the coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to
190 degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and
horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing
was 220 degrees, not 230.
>
> The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold
engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker.
>
> JT
> ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
wrote:
>
> =============
> AJ,
>
> Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
freeway speeds?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <[9]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this
topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290.
That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the
information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around
230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run
Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I
don't have the spec in front of me.
>>
>> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a
racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class
and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around
230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to
add an oil cooler.
>>
>> Your mileage may vary,
>> Asa Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jack Donahue <[10]demongusta at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and
topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump,
thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue
the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an
oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get
in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need
some feedback. All input is appreciated.
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