[DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Charles Engles
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Sun Jun 12 10:32:30 EDT 2016
Dear Mark,
You wrote: "I'm changing back to a scoop in front of the wheel to see what happens this year."
That reminds of this little item I just read this morning. It is very pertinent.
"...the way Bob Glidden put it when asked about making his car faster; 'We are all idiots, the guy that tries the most stuff wins'. Bob averaged 95 hours work a week on his car in his heyday.”
….which reminds of me that great quote from Werner Von Braun:”Research is what we are doing when we don’t know what we’re doing.”
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
My oil cooler is mounted horizontally in front of the right rear wheel. I have a separate oil pump to circulate the oil. Last year I ran some ducting from my front spoiler to the oil cooler. While running at SSCC last year 140 to 160 my oil temp was at 190 if I left the oil pump running. I'm changing back to a scoop in front of the wheel to see what happens this year.
Mark5481
On Sunday, June 12, 2016 4:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Agreed--I think the wheel well-mounted air-oil cooler was a monumental
act of wishful thinking....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 12, 2016, at 1:43 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[1]guson at home.se> wrote:
What makes an air/oil cooler work is airflow through the cooler fins. I
doubt that the pressure difference over an oil cooler in that position
is significant, so it has limited effect on oil temp.
Tomas
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Many moons ago, I saw a setup at Gary Hall's shop: He had installed a
reverse-louvered, splash panel on the right rear with an oil cooler
mounted to the inside (non-tire side) of the shield. The philosophy was
that the spinning tire would provide a constant stream of air through
the louvers at speed, cooling the oil. Whether it effectively worked, I
have no idea, but it was a clean setup.
FWIW,
Scott
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Behalf Of Jack Donahue
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:55 AM
To: Mike Drew
Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an
air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C
condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original
condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get
the feeling, however, that it's a waste of time, which sounds
good/great to me. The old "track-pushing-hard" syndrome left me a few
years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on
hot days in traffic.
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> AJ,
>
> Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
freeway speeds?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <[9]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
>
>> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this
topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290.
That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the
information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around
230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run
Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I
don't have the spec in front of me.
>>
>> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a
racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class
and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around
230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to
add an oil cooler.
>>
>> Your mileage may vary,
>> Asa Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jack Donahue <[10]demongusta at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and
topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump,
thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue
the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an
oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get
in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need
some feedback. All input is appreciated.
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Dear Mark,
You wrote: "I'm changing back to a scoop in front of the
wheel to see what happens this year."
That reminds of this little item I just read this morning.
It is very pertinent.
"...the way Bob Glidden put it when asked about making his
car faster; 'We are all idiots, the guy that tries the most stuff
wins'. Bob averaged 95 hours work a week on his car in his heyday."
....which reminds of me that great quote from Werner Von
Braun:"Research is what we are doing when we don't know what we're
doing."
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of mark skwarek via DeTomaso
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 8:27 AM
To: Mike Drew; Tomas Gunnarsson
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
My oil cooler is mounted horizontally in front of the right rear wheel.
I have a separate oil pump to circulate the oil. Last year I ran some
ducting from my front spoiler to the oil cooler. While running at SSCC
last year 140 to 160 my oil temp was at 190 if I left the oil pump
running. I'm changing back to a scoop in front of the wheel to see what
happens this year.
Mark5481
On Sunday, June 12, 2016 4:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Agreed--I think the wheel well-mounted air-oil cooler was a
monumental
act of wishful thinking....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 12, 2016, at 1:43 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[1][3]guson at home.se>
wrote:
What makes an air/oil cooler work is airflow through the cooler fins.
I
doubt that the pressure difference over an oil cooler in that
position
is significant, so it has limited effect on oil temp.
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
From: Scott Mead Photography
[[2][4]scott at scottmeadphotography.com]
Sent: 11/6/2016 11:56:18 PM
To: [3][5]demongusta at gmail.com;[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com
Cc: [5][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Many moons ago, I saw a setup at Gary Hall's shop: He had installed a
reverse-louvered, splash panel on the right rear with an oil cooler
mounted to the inside (non-tire side) of the shield. The philosophy
was
that the spinning tire would provide a constant stream of air through
the louvers at speed, cooling the oil. Whether it effectively worked,
I
have no idea, but it was a clean setup.
FWIW,
Scott
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Behalf Of Jack Donahue
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:55 AM
To: Mike Drew
Cc: [7][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be
an
air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C
condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original
condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get
the feeling, however, that it's a waste of time, which sounds
good/great to me. The old "track-pushing-hard" syndrome left me a few
years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on
hot days in traffic.
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[8][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> AJ,
>
> Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
freeway speeds?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton
<[9][10]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
>
>> Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this
topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290.
That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the
information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around
230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run
Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but
I
don't have the spec in front of me.
>>
>> For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a
racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120
class
and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right
around
230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need
to
add an oil cooler.
>>
>> Your mileage may vary,
>> Asa Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jack Donahue <[10][11]demongusta at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and
topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water
pump,
thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would
pursue
the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of
an
oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project
(get
in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I
need
some feedback. All input is appreciated.
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