[DeTomaso] POCA

Thu Jun 9 19:13:22 EDT 2016

Thank you Effie !   Very well said.
--Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Effie Richards [mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 4:34 PM
To: cengles at cox.net; steve at snclocks.com
Cc: 'detomaso detomaso'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA

I like your philosophical response, Chuck!

Our first known philosophers, Aristoteles, Socrates and Sophocleous, were my ancestors!
The Greek word means "friend (or lover) of wise thoughts" and being Greek, please, please, ignore as much as you don't like and focus on the positive of this website.

Where else can you find great guys who know the DeTomaso brand so well and love the car so much, they have become experts in its challenging mechanism!  Focus on your "friends of wise thoughts" - the Pantera philosophers, their wealth of knowledge and their spirit of sharing such and forget the other stuff.

I have been a "victim" of bullying, discrimination and other negative actions (as many of us have at times), but I stood strong, proud and determined to learn a new language and culture at 23 and succeed in a business world that was destined for men only at the time.  If I had allowed "words" to stop me, I would be nothing now.

Be a part of the great group of Pantera owners who are your friends and many times mentors.  You have more to gain by staying.  Be patient, shift though "kaka" and focus on the CAR!
I am amazed how quickly solutions/answers arrive from so many when you have a dilemma or a question about your car, whatever it may be.  It is so impressive, isn't it?

I'm not trying to convince anyone to do something they don't want to do.  I am just pointing out that we can all shift through dislikes and focus on to the actual great benefits of this group.

Respectfully,
Effie Richards

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of cengles at cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:28 PM
To: steve at snclocks.com
Cc: detomaso detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA

Dear Stephen,

                      A philosophical response to the question: 
"....what POCA does for me.."

                     What the new POCA does for you is to give you more value for your membership and a better membership experience.

                    What the old POCA did with volunteers and enthusiasts in the days before the internet, was to provide a nationwide organization that aided and abetted information and experience about the difficulties and joys of owning a Pantera.  The bright eyed amateurs would type out newsletters and mail them.  The newsletters and the Profiles improved with time, but they both provided a framework for Pantera owners across the nation to benefit from their fellow members. 
Outside of southern California, it was the only therapy for being the 
"Lone Ranger" in Enid, Oklahoma, for example.   With the incorporation 
of the Vegas Rally, a national meeting provided the faces to connect with the names and the opportunity to socialize and build relationships. 
Finally, the old Forum extended that to the internet with the results that we all are familiar with.

                     Currently, the new POCA offers all the high tech satisfaction of digital cable attainment of various and sundry benefits.

                     Historically, the old POCA was the foundation of the relationships and friendships and Pantera ownership that we have today.

                                 Philosophically yours,  Chuck Engles

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Stephen wrote:

> I believe that Thomas gets to the heart of the issue with the current 
> POCA leader.  There have been a number of times that MS has responded 
> to posts I put out on there on the previous forum in a way that made 
> me wonder why I bothered to post at all.  It took me a while to 
> distinguish between the several Mikes that posted on the previous 
> forum - it was the short one that I figured out first - and I quit 
> reading his responses.  Especially when I realized that he really 
> doesn't know it all, and that his technical guidance was flawed as 
> often as it was correct.
>
> I know that the short is doing his best to put together his idea of a 
> better POCA site.  And I know it will offer a lot.  No doubt.  NTL, 
> his amazing ability to piss folks off with his truly marginal 
> interpersonal skills is well known, and totally inappropriate for a 
> person in his position.
>  POCA is not this forum - and, well, vice versa.  3 years ago, when my 
> wife and I bought 5332, I likely would have put up with the shorts 
> crap to get what we needed - as I did in the past.  Today - well, 5332 
> is a dream to drive, and I have this forum.  Tell me again what POCA 
> does for me - other than to remind me that some folk make terrible 
> leaders?
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On 
> Behalf Of Thomas Törnblom
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
>
> 1) You can't do much about family, love it or hate it.
>
> 2) If you have an issue with a colleague, step away, if it is with 
> management, get a new job
>
> 3) If you have an issue with the current leadership in a club you pay 
> to be part of, then quitting, even temporarily, would at least send a 
> fairly strong message that something is wrong, or else the club may 
> not be for you anymore.
>
> As I've said before, I will likely not renew my POCA membership when 
> it is due, and if I were ten years younger I would also get a new job.
>
> Life's too short to having to deal with a*holes.
>
> Thomas
>
> Den 2016-06-08 kl. 08:48, skrev Ed Mendez:
>> Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who love 
>> you.
> We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't agree 
> with?
> Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? If we all 
> did that none of us would be working in our day jobs, or have a family 
> at all.
>>
>> I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother and 
>> that
> would really piss off my mom.
>>
>> Just saying.
>>
>> Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for 
>> a
> while, there's a whole big world out there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>>> On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of 
>>> your POCA membership - right now the leadership is proving to be 
>>> just plain polarizing.  Just don't let go of this forum!  And, one 
>>> day, when hoof in mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin.
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of gonancy at juno.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>>      Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and 
>>> spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it 
>>> out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney 
>>> know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately.
>>> That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving 
>>> also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will be 
>>> his
> last issue.
>>>     As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA 
>>> website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate 
>>> member,
> not a "true "
>>> member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it.  How 
>>> do you like that?  Makes him sound like a second class citizen.
>>>
>>> It's been a great 25 years,
>>> GoNancy Haney
>>>
>>> P.S.  I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all 
>>> I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I 
>>> could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a 
>>> real
> piece of work.
>>>
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