[DeTomaso] Fwd: Re: NPC - Processed some vintage race in-car footage

Kurt Byrnes kdb at kbyrnes.com
Thu Jun 9 17:48:06 EDT 2016


Thanks Dave.  Hoping to get time to finish my Pantera for next year.  
7000 rpm from a Cleveland would be even better.

Kurt

On 6/9/2016 5:34 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> Kurt - I watched that video and thought "damn that was fun".
>
> Then about 2 hours later I thought "damn that was fast".
> Then I remembered hearing a bunch of compression and what sounded like
> 7000 rpm.
> dave
>
>
> On 6/9/2016 1:15 PM, Kurt Byrnes wrote:
>> Thanks Charles.  Love your TD.  Mine was red for a long time as well.
>> They are really quite basic but great fun to drive.
>>
>> Larry, I will most certainly be racing at Pittsburgh.  It is the
>> highlight of my summer.  Hope you can make it.
>>
>> It is a fantastic car to race.  Even if you go beyond it's limits, it
>> almost never goes terribly wrong.
>>
>> So here's what's been done:
>> Modern billet crank, rods and pistons.  Compression ratio is about
>> 10.5:1.  I run a full race cam, light weight lifters and valve springs
>> out of England.  Although lots of guys run an aluminum "Laystall"
>> head, I still have a ported and shaved cast iron head. Carbs are TF 1
>> 1/2" vs stock 1 1/4".  Stock red line was 5200, I try to shift around
>> 6500 now.  I run an external, belt driven single stage wet sump oil
>> pump and the oil pan has been baffled. The stock oil pumps fail at
>> higher rpms.  It's quite loud, open exhaust through a stainless
>> header.  Stock, they made 56bhp.  I'm probably making 120-130bhp now.
>>
>> I added a big MGB swaybar in the front as well as shorter, stiffer
>> front springs and some shims under the a-arms to correct steering
>> geometry.  In the back I have 1" lowering blocks and MG-TF leaf
>> springs which drop it another 1/2" or so.  I have 5.11 and 4.83 rear
>> ends for short or long tracks.
>>
>> I always thought the brakes were pretty good.  I raced for years on
>> stock shoes but switched to Porterfield linings last year.  The
>> biggest difference I see is significantly less brake dust.  I've
>> always been able to lock the brakes.
>>
>> I'm one of the last guys to still run full fenders instead of the
>> cycle fenders.  There's definitely weight and aerodynamics
>> disadvantages but I like the way it looks.  I can't get the top speed
>> some of the other guys get but I know I've gotten close to 120MPH in a
>> car made with wood.
>>
>> Here's a lap and spin at PVGP from 2014.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDSHmbGokoE
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On 6/9/2016 2:58 PM, Charles McCall wrote:
>>> The NPC may get more NPC....
>>>
>>> Kurt, I've spent a fair amount of time behind the wheel of my folks' 
>>> '52
>>> MG-TD and I have to say that I am amazed at your video.
>>>
>>> I find it my parents' car a fascinating and fun car to drive -
>>> everything is
>>> so mechanical and manual... makes all kind of nice noises and lots of
>>> sensations.
>>>
>>> That being said, I have commented to my wife on several occasions 
>>> that I
>>> find it amazing that this car was used as a RACE car. I have been
>>> out-accelerated by local kids on their bicycles, and I begin planning
>>> several hours in advance before braking to make sure that I can 
>>> brake on
>>> time. Fun? Definitely. Fast? Well...
>>>
>>> So I was blown away by your video. How much of that car is stock? It
>>> sure
>>> doesn't sound like my parents' car, and it looks like your brakes
>>> actually
>>> work. Acceleration looks more than respectable.
>>>
>>> Is this like the difference between a bone-stock '72 on Arriva tires
>>> and a
>>> GT4 Le Mans racer? Is your '51 heavily heavily modified, or is it just
>>> well-tuned?
>>>
>>> Curious because there is a world of difference between the two 
>>> nominally
>>> similar cars...
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kurt Byrnes
>>> Sent: miércoles, 8 de junio de 2016 20:07
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - Processed some vintage race in-car 
>>> footage
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone.  I'm driving my 1951 MG TD.  This was the second
>>> feature race for our group.  The first race was won by an Elva Mk 
>>> II.  I
>>> took second place.  They handicapped the Elva back to fourth place so I
>>> was on the pole for the second race.  Everyone, including me, expected
>>> him to overtake me in the first lap so I had made plans to swap
>>> positions a few times with a friend as long as we held the Elva off.
>>> Put on a show and all that.  The Elva passed him almost immediately 
>>> so I
>>> was just trying to stay in front.  Fortunately for me, every time he
>>> would get close to me, we would be lapping traffic and I was able to
>>> pass at full throttle and he would have to wait to get through a 
>>> corner.
>>>
>>> Larry, I'll be at the event again this year so come on out.
>>>
>>> Another event any east coast folks should really consider is the
>>> Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix at Schenley Park.  In addition to being
>>> the only U.S. vintage race held on city streets, there is a HUGE car
>>> show all around the race course.  This year's marque for the Italian
>>> section is DeTomaso!  See http://www.pvgp.org/
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On 6/8/2016 12:30 AM, Mike Drew wrote:
>>>> Kurt,
>>>>
>>>> Looks to me like there was a race and somebody forgot to tell everyone
>>> else they were in it!!!
>>>> Well done!
>>>>
>>>> What is it you're driving? Looks like a Morgan maybe?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb at kbyrnes.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a few bits of a race I did last summer at Put-In-Bay Ohio.
>>>>> Back
>>> in the 50's, there were road races on the island.  A few years ago, 
>>> some
>>> friends wanted to honor the old races and restart racing on the island.
>>> Put-In-Bay Road Race Reunion was born.  There are round table
>>> discussions
>>> with old racers who raced back in the day, a re-enactment of the old
>>> course,
>>> rocker cover races, etc.  The website is http://pibroadrace.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> The races are now run at the airport.  For two days, they close it
>>>>> down
>>> in the morning, build the course with hay bales, we race, and they
>>> tear it
>>> all back down so planes can land by evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have an exhibition class that may let Pantera's in so if you're
>>> looking for something to do in late August, come on out. Races are held
>>> during the week since PIB is supposed to be the adult version of spring
>>> break every weekend in the summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerjbkhmBCU
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