[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Wed Jun 8 19:04:23 EDT 2016 

That seems fair enough.

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Will





On 6/8/16 7:02 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:

>It's two years of operating reserve. As explained by Bob Reid.
>
>Ed 
>
>Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On 9/06/2016, at 11:00, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The Porsche club has over 100,000 members.
>> 
>> The Ferrari club has over 6,000.
>> 
>> It isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
>> 
>> You need to consider what the reserves might be used for.  Personally, I
>> think $100,00 sounds about right, but I would just be guessing.  I'd
>>have
>> to see a risk assessment to make an educated guess on an acceptable cash
>> reserve.
>> 
>> --
>> Will
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/8/16 6:13 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Ferrari and Porsche clubs have over $1,000,000 in reserves. Their
>>> annual reports are available online. SCCA has more than that last time
>>>I
>>> checked.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> 
>>>> On 9/06/2016, at 05:51, Ken Green via DeTomaso
>>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  You mean do something before someone burns though the cash reserve
>>>>  playing with their ideas of what a club should be.  I heard the POCA
>>>>  cash reserve is over $100,000.  I don't know anything about the
>>>> typical
>>>>  size of cash reserves for car clubs, but that seems like a lot?
>>>>  Ken
>>>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>>> 
>>>>  From: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>
>>>>  To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>>>>  Cc: DeTomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:18 AM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>>>  Thank you Chuck for letting me know what has transpired within the
>>>>  organization. Thank you Kurt for the resurrection.
>>>>  It is interesting that the new POCA website forum is far behind this
>>>>  forum as far as popularity. It is also worth noting that technology,
>>>>  the "better", new format of the POCA, is suffering a lack of
>>>> attendance
>>>>  or participation, compared to this site. The phrase "build it & they
>>>>  will come running" certainly does not sound like it is happening. So
>>>>  why is the old guard allowing this to happen? It seems so flagrant. I
>>>>  think I read a sentiment that in essence said, if you don't like the
>>>>  new structure, you are not needed. This is a car group, how do you
>>>>  censor or better, why would you threaten anyone who disagrees with
>>>>  expulsion?
>>>>  Seems there is the dominate group forcing the subordinate group to
>>>>  leave, the very definition of expulsion.
>>>>  I agree Chuck, so very sad. I would think change is needed sooner
>>>>than
>>>>  later.
>>>>  Dave
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy
>>>>[mailto:[1]detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:27 PM
>>>>  To: Dave
>>>>  Cc: DeTomaso List
>>>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>>>  Can someone enlighten me, please?
>>>>  I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued
>>>> from
>>>>  being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
>>>>  impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
>>>>  Is this true?
>>>>  Thanks
>>>>  IndyDave
>>>>  Dave,
>>>>  You missed someone's good explanation of the list history.  It was
>>>>  started long ago, and when it was time for the guy to move on, he
>>>>  allowed POCA to 'manage' it under certain conditions.
>>>>  Then recently MS decided it should be killed, favoring the POCA
>>>>  Board-like forum.
>>>>  Kurt Byrnes (sp ?) took responsibility and restarted it.
>>>>  Now, the list is 'freed from POCA'...  THANKS Kurt!
>>>>  To use the POCA forum requires membership ($75 annually), it is
>>>>  censored for anti-POCA content, is no better than the GREAT (and
>>>>free)
>>>>  PI Forum, actually much LESS than the PI Forum, and thus is not
>>>>really
>>>>  used.
>>>>  And when newly-freed spirits discuss things 'here' some POCA people
>>>>  feel compelled to answer.
>>>>  Perhaps the POCA propaganda machine should re-evaluate their
>>>>  communications method.
>>>>  Or maybe Dave, you are adding your commentary too subtly for me (big
>>>>  grin).
>>>>  (Read between the lines ?!?  What lines ?!?  GRIN)
>>>>  Now...
>>>>  What caught my attention was a statement was made by the
>>>>  POCA-propaganda machine (PPM) regarding evaluation of alternate
>>>>  printers.
>>>>  How this was presented did seem reasonable (at first!). Yet Judy
>>>> DeRyke
>>>>  (and/or others) commented on how the decision was actually made.
>>>>This
>>>>  was refuted by the PPM. So someone felt it necessary to post just how
>>>>  POCA makes its decisions (well how Michael Shortt makes decisions for
>>>>  ALL POCA members) using an actual e-mail message as the
>>>>  fact/source/evidence. What better way to form an opinion than with
>>>>  facts, right?
>>>>  The posting of the facts was made by a non-POCA officer.
>>>>  He was then threatened with censure and being kicked out of the club
>>>>  for posting the evidence.  WOW !
>>>>  First, I do not believe the person posting the facts can or should be
>>>>  punished.  He did not sign a statement or agree to ANY terms that he
>>>> is
>>>>  in violation of. Challenging a lie is the right thing to do. If Mr.
>>>>  Shortt wants to try to punish anyone, it should be himself for not
>>>>  conveying the truth in the first place.
>>>>  While I am not passing judgment on any one suggestion for improvement
>>>>  of POCA, I do object to HOW things are done, and HOW people are being
>>>>  treated.
>>>>  More specifically how people who are not in full agreement with the
>>>>  current POCA president are being treated.  Let everyone focus on that
>>>>> one< issue.  Correct that problem first, otherwise it will taint any
>>>>  and all (otherwise possibly good) suggestions for change within POCA.
>>>>  With the leak of this document, POCA members and non-members alike
>>>> have
>>>>  been given insight into just how POCA is currently being run.  How
>>>>the
>>>>  PPM will respond will also be enlightening!
>>>>  Sad, quite sad.
>>>>  Here is an idea mentioned to me recently, perhaps if POCA wants to
>>>>  respond to statements, they could do so, but on their own website,
>>>>and
>>>>  from their elected Public Relations guy (only), isn't that what the
>>>>PR
>>>>  job entails?
>>>>  (Sorry to poke at Ed Mendez the current POCA PR guy, as he must have
>>>>a
>>>>  REALLY tough job, being elected to be the official POCA voice, but
>>>>  having less-than-accurate statements made by the current POCA
>>>> president
>>>>  as IF he is the sole POCA voice.)
>>>>  What a mess for the PR guy to be stuck with...
>>>>  Chuck
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