[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum

Wed Jun 8 19:02:41 EDT 2016

It's two years of operating reserve. As explained by Bob Reid.

Ed 

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus

> On 9/06/2016, at 11:00, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The Porsche club has over 100,000 members.
> 
> The Ferrari club has over 6,000.
> 
> It isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
> 
> You need to consider what the reserves might be used for.  Personally, I
> think $100,00 sounds about right, but I would just be guessing.  I'd have
> to see a risk assessment to make an educated guess on an acceptable cash
> reserve.
> 
> --
> Will
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> 
>> On 6/8/16 6:13 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The Ferrari and Porsche clubs have over $1,000,000 in reserves. Their
>> annual reports are available online. SCCA has more than that last time I
>> checked.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> 
>>> On 9/06/2016, at 05:51, Ken Green via DeTomaso
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  You mean do something before someone burns though the cash reserve
>>>  playing with their ideas of what a club should be.  I heard the POCA
>>>  cash reserve is over $100,000.  I don't know anything about the
>>> typical
>>>  size of cash reserves for car clubs, but that seems like a lot?
>>>  Ken
>>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>>  From: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>
>>>  To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>>>  Cc: DeTomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:18 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>>  Thank you Chuck for letting me know what has transpired within the
>>>  organization. Thank you Kurt for the resurrection.
>>>  It is interesting that the new POCA website forum is far behind this
>>>  forum as far as popularity. It is also worth noting that technology,
>>>  the "better", new format of the POCA, is suffering a lack of
>>> attendance
>>>  or participation, compared to this site. The phrase "build it & they
>>>  will come running" certainly does not sound like it is happening. So
>>>  why is the old guard allowing this to happen? It seems so flagrant. I
>>>  think I read a sentiment that in essence said, if you don't like the
>>>  new structure, you are not needed. This is a car group, how do you
>>>  censor or better, why would you threaten anyone who disagrees with
>>>  expulsion?
>>>  Seems there is the dominate group forcing the subordinate group to
>>>  leave, the very definition of expulsion.
>>>  I agree Chuck, so very sad. I would think change is needed sooner than
>>>  later.
>>>  Dave
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy [mailto:[1]detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:27 PM
>>>  To: Dave
>>>  Cc: DeTomaso List
>>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>>  Can someone enlighten me, please?
>>>  I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued
>>> from
>>>  being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
>>>  impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
>>>  Is this true?
>>>  Thanks
>>>  IndyDave
>>>  Dave,
>>>  You missed someone's good explanation of the list history.  It was
>>>  started long ago, and when it was time for the guy to move on, he
>>>  allowed POCA to 'manage' it under certain conditions.
>>>  Then recently MS decided it should be killed, favoring the POCA
>>>  Board-like forum.
>>>  Kurt Byrnes (sp ?) took responsibility and restarted it.
>>>  Now, the list is 'freed from POCA'...  THANKS Kurt!
>>>  To use the POCA forum requires membership ($75 annually), it is
>>>  censored for anti-POCA content, is no better than the GREAT (and free)
>>>  PI Forum, actually much LESS than the PI Forum, and thus is not really
>>>  used.
>>>  And when newly-freed spirits discuss things 'here' some POCA people
>>>  feel compelled to answer.
>>>  Perhaps the POCA propaganda machine should re-evaluate their
>>>  communications method.
>>>  Or maybe Dave, you are adding your commentary too subtly for me (big
>>>  grin).
>>>  (Read between the lines ?!?  What lines ?!?  GRIN)
>>>  Now...
>>>  What caught my attention was a statement was made by the
>>>  POCA-propaganda machine (PPM) regarding evaluation of alternate
>>>  printers.
>>>  How this was presented did seem reasonable (at first!). Yet Judy
>>> DeRyke
>>>  (and/or others) commented on how the decision was actually made.  This
>>>  was refuted by the PPM. So someone felt it necessary to post just how
>>>  POCA makes its decisions (well how Michael Shortt makes decisions for
>>>  ALL POCA members) using an actual e-mail message as the
>>>  fact/source/evidence. What better way to form an opinion than with
>>>  facts, right?
>>>  The posting of the facts was made by a non-POCA officer.
>>>  He was then threatened with censure and being kicked out of the club
>>>  for posting the evidence.  WOW !
>>>  First, I do not believe the person posting the facts can or should be
>>>  punished.  He did not sign a statement or agree to ANY terms that he
>>> is
>>>  in violation of. Challenging a lie is the right thing to do. If Mr.
>>>  Shortt wants to try to punish anyone, it should be himself for not
>>>  conveying the truth in the first place.
>>>  While I am not passing judgment on any one suggestion for improvement
>>>  of POCA, I do object to HOW things are done, and HOW people are being
>>>  treated.
>>>  More specifically how people who are not in full agreement with the
>>>  current POCA president are being treated.  Let everyone focus on that
>>>> one< issue.  Correct that problem first, otherwise it will taint any
>>>  and all (otherwise possibly good) suggestions for change within POCA.
>>>  With the leak of this document, POCA members and non-members alike
>>> have
>>>  been given insight into just how POCA is currently being run.  How the
>>>  PPM will respond will also be enlightening!
>>>  Sad, quite sad.
>>>  Here is an idea mentioned to me recently, perhaps if POCA wants to
>>>  respond to statements, they could do so, but on their own website, and
>>>  from their elected Public Relations guy (only), isn't that what the PR
>>>  job entails?
>>>  (Sorry to poke at Ed Mendez the current POCA PR guy, as he must have a
>>>  REALLY tough job, being elected to be the official POCA voice, but
>>>  having less-than-accurate statements made by the current POCA
>>> president
>>>  as IF he is the sole POCA voice.)
>>>  What a mess for the PR guy to be stuck with...
>>>  Chuck
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