[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum

[Will Kooiman]

The Porsche club has over 100,000 members.

The Ferrari club has over 6,000.

It isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.

You need to consider what the reserves might be used for.  Personally, I
think $100,00 sounds about right, but I would just be guessing.  I'd have
to see a risk assessment to make an educated guess on an acceptable cash
reserve.

--
Will





On 6/8/16 6:13 PM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati at mac.com> wrote:

>The Ferrari and Porsche clubs have over $1,000,000 in reserves. Their
>annual reports are available online. SCCA has more than that last time I
>checked.
>
>Ed
>
>Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On 9/06/2016, at 05:51, Ken Green via DeTomaso
>><detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   You mean do something before someone burns though the cash reserve
>>   playing with their ideas of what a club should be.  I heard the POCA
>>   cash reserve is over $100,000.  I don't know anything about the
>>typical
>>   size of cash reserves for car clubs, but that seems like a lot?
>>   Ken
>>     __________________________________________________________________
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>>   From: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>
>>   To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>>   Cc: DeTomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>   Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:18 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>   Thank you Chuck for letting me know what has transpired within the
>>   organization. Thank you Kurt for the resurrection.
>>   It is interesting that the new POCA website forum is far behind this
>>   forum as far as popularity. It is also worth noting that technology,
>>   the "better", new format of the POCA, is suffering a lack of
>>attendance
>>   or participation, compared to this site. The phrase "build it & they
>>   will come running" certainly does not sound like it is happening. So
>>   why is the old guard allowing this to happen? It seems so flagrant. I
>>   think I read a sentiment that in essence said, if you don't like the
>>   new structure, you are not needed. This is a car group, how do you
>>   censor or better, why would you threaten anyone who disagrees with
>>   expulsion?
>>   Seems there is the dominate group forcing the subordinate group to
>>   leave, the very definition of expulsion.
>>   I agree Chuck, so very sad. I would think change is needed sooner than
>>   later.
>>   Dave
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy [mailto:[1]detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
>>   Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:27 PM
>>   To: Dave
>>   Cc: DeTomaso List
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>   Can someone enlighten me, please?
>>   I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued
>>from
>>   being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
>>   impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
>>   Is this true?
>>   Thanks
>>   IndyDave
>>   Dave,
>>   You missed someone's good explanation of the list history.  It was
>>   started long ago, and when it was time for the guy to move on, he
>>   allowed POCA to 'manage' it under certain conditions.
>>   Then recently MS decided it should be killed, favoring the POCA
>>   Board-like forum.
>>   Kurt Byrnes (sp ?) took responsibility and restarted it.
>>   Now, the list is 'freed from POCA'...  THANKS Kurt!
>>   To use the POCA forum requires membership ($75 annually), it is
>>   censored for anti-POCA content, is no better than the GREAT (and free)
>>   PI Forum, actually much LESS than the PI Forum, and thus is not really
>>   used.
>>   And when newly-freed spirits discuss things 'here' some POCA people
>>   feel compelled to answer.
>>   Perhaps the POCA propaganda machine should re-evaluate their
>>   communications method.
>>   Or maybe Dave, you are adding your commentary too subtly for me (big
>>   grin).
>>   (Read between the lines ?!?  What lines ?!?  GRIN)
>>   Now...
>>   What caught my attention was a statement was made by the
>>   POCA-propaganda machine (PPM) regarding evaluation of alternate
>>   printers.
>>   How this was presented did seem reasonable (at first!). Yet Judy
>>DeRyke
>>   (and/or others) commented on how the decision was actually made.  This
>>   was refuted by the PPM. So someone felt it necessary to post just how
>>   POCA makes its decisions (well how Michael Shortt makes decisions for
>>   ALL POCA members) using an actual e-mail message as the
>>   fact/source/evidence. What better way to form an opinion than with
>>   facts, right?
>>   The posting of the facts was made by a non-POCA officer.
>>   He was then threatened with censure and being kicked out of the club
>>   for posting the evidence.  WOW !
>>   First, I do not believe the person posting the facts can or should be
>>   punished.  He did not sign a statement or agree to ANY terms that he
>>is
>>   in violation of. Challenging a lie is the right thing to do. If Mr.
>>   Shortt wants to try to punish anyone, it should be himself for not
>>   conveying the truth in the first place.
>>   While I am not passing judgment on any one suggestion for improvement
>>   of POCA, I do object to HOW things are done, and HOW people are being
>>   treated.
>>   More specifically how people who are not in full agreement with the
>>   current POCA president are being treated.  Let everyone focus on that
>>> one< issue.  Correct that problem first, otherwise it will taint any
>>   and all (otherwise possibly good) suggestions for change within POCA.
>>   With the leak of this document, POCA members and non-members alike
>>have
>>   been given insight into just how POCA is currently being run.  How the
>>   PPM will respond will also be enlightening!
>>   Sad, quite sad.
>>   Here is an idea mentioned to me recently, perhaps if POCA wants to
>>   respond to statements, they could do so, but on their own website, and
>>   from their elected Public Relations guy (only), isn't that what the PR
>>   job entails?
>>   (Sorry to poke at Ed Mendez the current POCA PR guy, as he must have a
>>   REALLY tough job, being elected to be the official POCA voice, but
>>   having less-than-accurate statements made by the current POCA
>>president
>>   as IF he is the sole POCA voice.)
>>   What a mess for the PR guy to be stuck with...
>>   Chuck
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