[DeTomaso] POCA
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WELL SAID, SCOTT!! THANK YOU! You got right down to the bare bones of the issue.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
Cc: detomaso detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2016 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
Effie, I don't know what you do or did for a living, but I'm curious if after say 20 years of doing your job, having the respect of all your peers, they suddenly brought someone new in to manage you that treated you like KaKa ( I think that was your word), didn't listen to your recommendations, tried to take away your tools, didn't include you in the meetings to decide how you would do your job, said hateful things to you......and OBTW DIDN'T PAY YOU ANYTHING! How long would you stay in that job? These folks stayed 6 MONTHS!! I think they should get a statue erected in their honor.I don't know you.....hopefully we will get a chance to meet and hear each other's Pantera story, and I agree we need to try to find a way out of the darkness we're in right now, but I don't think it's fair to challenge these two POCA stalwarts to "shift through dislikes and focus on the actual great benefits of this group". Your Pantera Brother :-)> On Jun 8, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:> > I like your philosophical response, Chuck!> > Our first known philosophers, Aristoteles, Socrates and Sophocleous, were my ancestors!> The Greek word means "friend (or lover) of wise thoughts" and being Greek, please, please, ignore as much as you don't like and focus on the positive of this website.> > Where else can you find great guys who know the DeTomaso brand so well and love the car so much, they have become experts in its challenging mechanism! Focus on your "friends of wise thoughts" - the Pantera philosophers, their wealth of knowledge and their spirit of sharing such and forget the other stuff.> > I have been a "victim" of bullying, discrimination and other negative actions (as many of us have at times), but I stood strong, proud and determined to learn a new language and culture at 23 and succeed in a business world that was destined for men only at the time. If I had allowed "words" to stop me, I would be nothing now.> > Be a part of the great group of Pantera owners who are your friends and many times mentors. You have more to gain by staying. Be patient, shift though "kaka" and focus on the CAR!> I am amazed how quickly solutions/answers arrive from so many when you have a dilemma or a question about your car, whatever it may be. It is so impressive, isn't it?> > I'm not trying to convince anyone to do something they don't want to do. I am just pointing out that we can all shift through dislikes and focus on to the actual great benefits of this group.> > Respectfully,> Effie Richards> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of cengles at cox.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:28 PM> To: steve at snclocks.com> Cc: detomaso detomaso> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA> > Dear Stephen,> > > > A philosophical response to the question: > "....what POCA does for me.."> > > What the new POCA does for you is to give you more value for your membership and a better membership experience.> > > What the old POCA did with volunteers and > enthusiasts in the days before the internet, was to provide a nationwide > organization that aided and abetted information and experience about the > difficulties and joys of owning a Pantera. The bright eyed amateurs > would type out newsletters and mail them. The newsletters and the > Profiles improved with time, but they both provided a framework for > Pantera owners across the nation to benefit from their fellow members. > Outside of southern California, it was the only therapy for being the > "Lone Ranger" in Enid, Oklahoma, for example. With the incorporation > of the Vegas Rally, a national meeting provided the faces to connect > with the names and the opportunity to socialize and build relationships. > Finally, the old Forum extended that to the internet with the results > that we all are familiar with.> > Currently, the new POCA offers all the high tech > satisfaction of digital cable attainment of various and sundry benefits.> > Historically, the old POCA was the foundation of > the relationships and friendships and Pantera ownership that we have > today.> > > > Philosophically yours, Chuck Engles> > >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Stephen wrote:>> >> I believe that Thomas gets to the heart of the issue with the current >> POCA>> leader. There have been a number of times that MS has responded to >> posts I>> put out on there on the previous forum in a way that made me wonder >> why I>> bothered to post at all. It took me a while to distinguish between >> the>> several Mikes that posted on the previous forum - it was the short one >> that>> I figured out first - and I quit reading his responses. Especially >> when I>> realized that he really doesn't know it all, and that his technical >> guidance>> was flawed as often as it was correct.>> >> I know that the short is doing his best to put together his idea of a >> better>> POCA site. And I know it will offer a lot. No doubt. NTL, his >> amazing>> ability to piss folks off with his truly marginal interpersonal skills >> is>> well known, and totally inappropriate for a person in his position.>> POCA is not this forum - and, well, vice versa. 3 years ago, when my >> wife>> and I bought 5332, I likely would have put up with the shorts crap to >> get>> what we needed - as I did in the past. Today - well, 5332 is a dream >> to>> drive, and I have this forum. Tell me again what POCA does for me - >> other>> than to remind me that some folk make terrible leaders?>> >> Stephen Nelson>> >> -----Original Message----->> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf>> Of Thomas Törnblom>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:36 AM>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA>> >> 1) You can't do much about family, love it or hate it.>> >> 2) If you have an issue with a colleague, step away, if it is with>> management, get a new job>> >> 3) If you have an issue with the current leadership in a club you pay >> to be>> part of, then quitting, even temporarily, would at least send a fairly>> strong message that something is wrong, or else the club may not be >> for you>> anymore.>> >> As I've said before, I will likely not renew my POCA membership when >> it is>> due, and if I were ten years younger I would also get a new job.>> >> Life's too short to having to deal with a*holes.>> >> Thomas>> >>> Den 2016-06-08 kl. 08:48, skrev Ed Mendez:>>> Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who love >>> you.>> We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't agree >> with?>> Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? If we all >> did that>> none of us would be working in our day jobs, or have a family at all.>>> >>> I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother and >>> that>> would really piss off my mom.>>> >>> Just saying.>>> >>> Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for >>> a>> while, there's a whole big world out there.>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus>>> >>>> On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:>>>> >>>> Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of >>>> your POCA membership - right now the leadership is proving to be >>>> just plain polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And, one >>>> day, when hoof in mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin.>>>> >>>> Stephen Nelson>>>> >>>> -----Original Message----->>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On >>>> Behalf Of gonancy at juno.com>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM>>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA>>>> >>>> Dear Forum,>>>> Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and >>>> spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it >>>> out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney >>>> know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately. >>>> That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving >>>> also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will be >>>> his>> last issue.>>>> As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA >>>> website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate >>>> member,>> not a "true ">>>> member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How >>>> do you like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen.>>>> >>>> It's been a great 25 years,>>>> GoNancy Haney>>>> >>>> P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all >>>> I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I >>>> could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a >>>> real>> piece of work.>>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________>>>> Nextiva vFAX>>>> Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine?>>>> >>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5757934166446134075b2st03vuc>>>> _______________________________________________>>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>>> etc.) use the links above.>>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of >>>> the>> list.>>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>>> approve the archiving of list messages.>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________>>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>>> etc.) use>> the links above.>>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list.>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve>> the archiving of list messages.>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________>>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>>> etc.) use>> the links above.>>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>>> any>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list.>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve>> the archiving of list messages.>> >> >> _______________________________________________>> >> >> Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes>> DeTomaso mailing list>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above.>> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. 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WELL SAID, SCOTT!! THANK YOU! You got right down to the bare bones of
the issue.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
Cc: detomaso detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2016 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
Effie, I don't know what you do or did for a living, but I'm curious if
after say 20 years of doing your job, having the respect of all your
peers, they suddenly brought someone new in to manage you that treated
you like KaKa ( I think that was your word), didn't listen to your
recommendations, tried to take away your tools, didn't include you in
the meetings to decide how you would do your job, said hateful things
to you......and OBTW DIDN'T PAY YOU ANYTHING! How long would you stay
in that job? These folks stayed 6 MONTHS!! I think they should get a
statue erected in their honor. I don't know you.....hopefully we will
get a chance to meet and hear each other's Pantera story, and I agree
we need to try to find a way out of the darkness we're in right now,
but I don't think it's fair to challenge these two POCA stalwarts to
"shift through dislikes and focus on the actual great benefits of this
group". Your Pantera Brother :-) > On Jun 8, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Effie
Richards <[1]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote: > > I like your
philosophical response, Chuck! > > Our first known philosophers,
Aristoteles, Socrates and Sophocleous, were my ancestors! > The Greek
word means "friend (or lover) of wise thoughts" and being Greek,
please, please, ignore as much as you don't like and focus on the
positive of this website. > > Where else can you find great guys who
know the DeTomaso brand so well and love the car so much, they have
become experts in its challenging mechanism! Focus on your "friends of
wise thoughts" - the Pantera philosophers, their wealth of knowledge
and their spirit of sharing such and forget the other stuff. > > I have
been a "victim" of bullying, discrimination and other negative actions
(as many of us have at times), but I stood strong, proud and determined
to learn a new language and culture at 23 and succeed in a business
world that was destined for men only at the time. If I had allowed
"words" to stop me, I would be nothing now. > > Be a part of the great
group of Pantera owners who are your friends and many times mentors.
You have more to gain by staying. Be patient, shift though "kaka" and
focus on the CAR! > I am amazed how quickly solutions/answers arrive
from so many when you have a dilemma or a question about your car,
whatever it may be. It is so impressive, isn't it? > > I'm not trying
to convince anyone to do something they don't want to do. I am just
pointing out that we can all shift through dislikes and focus on to the
actual great benefits of this group. > > Respectfully, > Effie Richards
> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso
[[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of
[3]cengles at cox.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:28 PM > To:
[4]steve at snclocks.com > Cc: detomaso detomaso > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
POCA > > Dear Stephen, > > > > A philosophical response to the
question: > "....what POCA does for me.." > > > What the new POCA does
for you is to give you more value for your membership and a better
membership experience. > > > What the old POCA did with volunteers and
> enthusiasts in the days before the internet, was to provide a
nationwide > organization that aided and abetted information and
experience about the > difficulties and joys of owning a Pantera. The
bright eyed amateurs > would type out newsletters and mail them. The
newsletters and the > Profiles improved with time, but they both
provided a framework for > Pantera owners across the nation to benefit
from their fellow members. > Outside of southern California, it was the
only therapy for being the > "Lone Ranger" in Enid, Oklahoma, for
example. With the incorporation > of the Vegas Rally, a national
meeting provided the faces to connect > with the names and the
opportunity to socialize and build relationships. > Finally, the old
Forum extended that to the internet with the results > that we all are
familiar with. > > Currently, the new POCA offers all the high tech >
satisfaction of digital cable attainment of various and sundry
benefits. > > Historically, the old POCA was the foundation of > the
relationships and friendships and Pantera ownership that we have >
today. > > > > Philosophically yours, Chuck Engles > > >> On Wed, Jun
8, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Stephen wrote: >> >> I believe that Thomas gets to
the heart of the issue with the current >> POCA >> leader. There have
been a number of times that MS has responded to >> posts I >> put out
on there on the previous forum in a way that made me wonder >> why I >>
bothered to post at all. It took me a while to distinguish between >>
the >> several Mikes that posted on the previous forum - it was the
short one >> that >> I figured out first - and I quit reading his
responses. Especially >> when I >> realized that he really doesn't know
it all, and that his technical >> guidance >> was flawed as often as it
was correct. >> >> I know that the short is doing his best to put
together his idea of a >> better >> POCA site. And I know it will offer
a lot. No doubt. NTL, his >> amazing >> ability to piss folks off with
his truly marginal interpersonal skills >> is >> well known, and
totally inappropriate for a person in his position. >> POCA is not this
forum - and, well, vice versa. 3 years ago, when my >> wife >> and I
bought 5332, I likely would have put up with the shorts crap to >> get
>> what we needed - as I did in the past. Today - well, 5332 is a dream
>> to >> drive, and I have this forum. Tell me again what POCA does for
me - >> other >> than to remind me that some folk make terrible
leaders? >> >> Stephen Nelson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From:
DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On >>
Behalf >> Of Thomas TAP:rnblom >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:36
AM >> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re:
[DeTomaso] POCA >> >> 1) You can't do much about family, love it or
hate it. >> >> 2) If you have an issue with a colleague, step away, if
it is with >> management, get a new job >> >> 3) If you have an issue
with the current leadership in a club you pay >> to be >> part of, then
quitting, even temporarily, would at least send a fairly >> strong
message that something is wrong, or else the club may not be >> for you
>> anymore. >> >> As I've said before, I will likely not renew my POCA
membership when >> it is >> due, and if I were ten years younger I
would also get a new job. >> >> Life's too short to having to deal with
a*holes. >> >> Thomas >> >>> Den 2016-06-08 kl. 08:48, skrev Ed Mendez:
>>> Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who
love >>> you. >> We are all family here. Quit because of one person you
don't agree >> with? >> Quit because of a family member you don't get
along with? If we all >> did that >> none of us would be working in our
day jobs, or have a family at all. >>> >>> I assume punch my brother in
the face, but he is still my brother and >>> that >> would really piss
off my mom. >>> >>> Just saying. >>> >>> Better that maybe we all just
step away from the computer screen for >>> a >> while, there's a whole
big world out there. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>> >>>> On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <[7]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go
of >>>> your POCA membership - right now the leadership is proving to
be >>>> just plain polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And,
one >>>> day, when hoof in mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps
rejoin. >>>> >>>> Stephen Nelson >>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso
[[8]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On >>>> Behalf Of
[9]gonancy at juno.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM >>>> To:
[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA >>>>
>>>> Dear Forum, >>>> Even though I've just been a lurker and
occasional poster and >>>> spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its
inception, I wanted to put it >>>> out to the Pantera Community that I
will be letting Judy McCartney >>>> know that I am ending my membership
in POCA effective immediately. >>>> That means my associate member, the
Profiles Editor, will be leaving >>>> also. Mike has the June issue at
the printer's right now. It will be >>>> his >> last issue. >>>> As an
aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA >>>> website,
even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate >>>> member, >>
not a "true " >>>> member according to whomever it was that he
contacted about it. How >>>> do you like that? Makes him sound like a
second class citizen. >>>> >>>> It's been a great 25 years, >>>>
GoNancy Haney >>>> >>>> P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last
week and it was all >>>> I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental
effort on my part. I >>>> could not believe my ears sometimes at what
MS was saying. He is a >>>> real >> piece of work. >>>> >>>>
____________________________________________________________ >>>>
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