[DeTomaso] POCA
Ken Green
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Wed Jun 8 16:32:51 EDT 2016
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From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
To: cengles at cox.net
Cc: 'detomaso detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
Ahhhh - I understand so much better. Sort of like why we don't have a tv so we can focus on our friends. Good explanation!
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-----Original Message-----
From: cengles at cox.net [mailto:cengles at cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:28 PM
To: steve at snclocks.com
Cc: tipo874 at gmail.com; detomaso detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
Dear Stephen,
A philosophical response to the question:
"....what POCA does for me.."
What the new POCA does for you is to give you more value for your membership and a better membership experience.
What the old POCA did with volunteers and
enthusiasts in the days before the internet, was to provide a nationwide
organization that aided and abetted information and experience about the
difficulties and joys of owning a Pantera. The bright eyed amateurs
would type out newsletters and mail them. The newsletters and the
Profiles improved with time, but they both provided a framework for
Pantera owners across the nation to benefit from their fellow members.
Outside of southern California, it was the only therapy for being the
"Lone Ranger" in Enid, Oklahoma, for example. With the incorporation
of the Vegas Rally, a national meeting provided the faces to connect
with the names and the opportunity to socialize and build relationships.
Finally, the old Forum extended that to the internet with the results
that we all are familiar with.
Currently, the new POCA offers all the high tech
satisfaction of digital cable attainment of various and sundry benefits.
Historically, the old POCA was the foundation of
the relationships and friendships and Pantera ownership that we have
today.
Philosophically yours, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Stephen wrote:
> I believe that Thomas gets to the heart of the issue with the current
> POCA
> leader. There have been a number of times that MS has responded to
> posts I
> put out on there on the previous forum in a way that made me wonder
> why I
> bothered to post at all. It took me a while to distinguish between
> the
> several Mikes that posted on the previous forum - it was the short one
> that
> I figured out first - and I quit reading his responses. Especially
> when I
> realized that he really doesn't know it all, and that his technical
> guidance
> was flawed as often as it was correct.
>
> I know that the short is doing his best to put together his idea of a
> better
> POCA site. And I know it will offer a lot. No doubt. NTL, his
> amazing
> ability to piss folks off with his truly marginal interpersonal skills
> is
> well known, and totally inappropriate for a person in his position.
> POCA is not this forum - and, well, vice versa. 3 years ago, when my
> wife
> and I bought 5332, I likely would have put up with the shorts crap to
> get
> what we needed - as I did in the past. Today - well, 5332 is a dream
> to
> drive, and I have this forum. Tell me again what POCA does for me -
> other
> than to remind me that some folk make terrible leaders?
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Thomas Törnblom
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
>
> 1) You can't do much about family, love it or hate it.
>
> 2) If you have an issue with a colleague, step away, if it is with
> management, get a new job
>
> 3) If you have an issue with the current leadership in a club you pay
> to be
> part of, then quitting, even temporarily, would at least send a fairly
> strong message that something is wrong, or else the club may not be
> for you
> anymore.
>
> As I've said before, I will likely not renew my POCA membership when
> it is
> due, and if I were ten years younger I would also get a new job.
>
> Life's too short to having to deal with a*holes.
>
> Thomas
>
> Den 2016-06-08 kl. 08:48, skrev Ed Mendez:
>> Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who love
>> you.
> We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't agree
> with?
> Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? If we all
> did that
> none of us would be working in our day jobs, or have a family at all.
>>
>> I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother and
>> that
> would really piss off my mom.
>>
>> Just saying.
>>
>> Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for
>> a
> while, there's a whole big world out there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>>> On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of
>>> your POCA membership - right now the leadership is proving to be
>>> just plain polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And, one
>>> day, when hoof in mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin.
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>>> Behalf Of gonancy at juno.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>> Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and
>>> spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it
>>> out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney
>>> know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately.
>>> That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving
>>> also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will be
>>> his
> last issue.
>>> As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA
>>> website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate
>>> member,
> not a "true "
>>> member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How
>>> do you like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen.
>>>
>>> It's been a great 25 years,
>>> GoNancy Haney
>>>
>>> P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all
>>> I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I
>>> could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a
>>> real
> piece of work.
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> Nextiva vFAX
>>> Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine?
>>>
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From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
To: cengles at cox.net
Cc: 'detomaso detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
Ahhhh - I understand so much better. Sort of like why we don't have a
tv so we can focus on our friends. Good explanation!
Stephen Nelson
SNClocks.com
Click here to join one of our mailing lists Contact Lists
Click here for our new Hammered Dulcimers galleries
Click here for my new blog on finding happiness in retirement
-----Original Message-----
From: [1]cengles at cox.net [mailto:[2]cengles at cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:28 PM
To: [3]steve at snclocks.com
Cc: [4]tipo874 at gmail.com; detomaso detomaso
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
Dear Stephen,
A philosophical response to the question:
"....what POCA does for me.."
What the new POCA does for you is to give you more
value for your membership and a better membership experience.
What the old POCA did with volunteers and
enthusiasts in the days before the internet, was to provide a
nationwide
organization that aided and abetted information and experience about
the
difficulties and joys of owning a Pantera. The bright eyed amateurs
would type out newsletters and mail them. The newsletters and the
Profiles improved with time, but they both provided a framework for
Pantera owners across the nation to benefit from their fellow members.
Outside of southern California, it was the only therapy for being the
"Lone Ranger" in Enid, Oklahoma, for example. With the incorporation
of the Vegas Rally, a national meeting provided the faces to connect
with the names and the opportunity to socialize and build
relationships.
Finally, the old Forum extended that to the internet with the results
that we all are familiar with.
Currently, the new POCA offers all the high tech
satisfaction of digital cable attainment of various and sundry
benefits.
Historically, the old POCA was the foundation of
the relationships and friendships and Pantera ownership that we have
today.
Philosophically yours, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Stephen wrote:
> I believe that Thomas gets to the heart of the issue with the current
> POCA
> leader. There have been a number of times that MS has responded to
> posts I
> put out on there on the previous forum in a way that made me wonder
> why I
> bothered to post at all. It took me a while to distinguish between
> the
> several Mikes that posted on the previous forum - it was the short
one
> that
> I figured out first - and I quit reading his responses. Especially
> when I
> realized that he really doesn't know it all, and that his technical
> guidance
> was flawed as often as it was correct.
>
> I know that the short is doing his best to put together his idea of a
> better
> POCA site. And I know it will offer a lot. No doubt. NTL, his
> amazing
> ability to piss folks off with his truly marginal interpersonal
skills
> is
> well known, and totally inappropriate for a person in his position.
> POCA is not this forum - and, well, vice versa. 3 years ago, when
my
> wife
> and I bought 5332, I likely would have put up with the shorts crap to
> get
> what we needed - as I did in the past. Today - well, 5332 is a dream
> to
> drive, and I have this forum. Tell me again what POCA does for me -
> other
> than to remind me that some folk make terrible leaders?
>
> Stephen Nelson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
> Behalf
> Of Thomas TAP:rnblom
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:36 AM
> To: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA
>
> 1) You can't do much about family, love it or hate it.
>
> 2) If you have an issue with a colleague, step away, if it is with
> management, get a new job
>
> 3) If you have an issue with the current leadership in a club you pay
> to be
> part of, then quitting, even temporarily, would at least send a
fairly
> strong message that something is wrong, or else the club may not be
> for you
> anymore.
>
> As I've said before, I will likely not renew my POCA membership when
> it is
> due, and if I were ten years younger I would also get a new job.
>
> Life's too short to having to deal with a*holes.
>
> Thomas
>
> Den 2016-06-08 kl. 08:48, skrev Ed Mendez:
>> Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who
love
>> you.
> We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't agree
> with?
> Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? If we all
> did that
> none of us would be working in our day jobs, or have a family at all.
>>
>> I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother
and
>> that
> would really piss off my mom.
>>
>> Just saying.
>>
>> Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for
>> a
> while, there's a whole big world out there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>>> On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <[8]steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of
>>> your POCA membership - right now the leadership is proving to be
>>> just plain polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And, one
>>> day, when hoof in mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin.
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
>>> Behalf Of [10]gonancy at juno.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>> Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and
>>> spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put
it
>>> out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney
>>> know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately.
>>> That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be
leaving
>>> also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will
be
>>> his
> last issue.
>>> As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA
>>> website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate
>>> member,
> not a "true "
>>> member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it.
How
>>> do you like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen.
>>>
>>> It's been a great 25 years,
>>> GoNancy Haney
>>>
>>> P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was
all
>>> I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I
>>> could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a
>>> real
> piece of work.
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> Nextiva vFAX
>>> Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine?
>>>
>>>
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uc
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