[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum

Bill Moore bill at incendium.com
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-------- Original message --------
From: Dave <davel at emspace.com> 
Date: 2016-06-07  6:21 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum 

Y'awl 'd be talkin' Oklahoma there......


On 6/7/2016 11:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
> << outlaw territory >>
>
> Kinda like Texas in the "Cloud"
>
> Larry (I'm in) - Cleveland
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of cengles at cox.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:58 PM
> To: dave at damardirect.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; msm at portata.com;
> rkunishige at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> Dear Dave:  Exactly and precisely.  His empire does not extend to this
> outlaw territory.    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>> So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group,
>> correct?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM
>> To: 'Charles McCall'; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod
>> Kunishige'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM
>> To: Dave; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige'
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>
>> True on both counts.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17
>> To: msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
>> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>
>> Can someone enlighten me, please?
>> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued
>> from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
>> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
>> Is this true?
>> Thanks
>> IndyDave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: msm at portata.com [mailto:msm at portata.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM
>> To: scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
>> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>
>> Rod -- you are always welcome here.  Thank you for your many years of
>> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community.
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>
>>> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
>>> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I
>>> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or
>>> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of  verbal
>>> and textual diarrhea.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
>>> of any equation on my worksheet.
>>>
>>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what
>>> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type
>>> addicted to drama.
>>>
>>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
>>> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working
>>> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier
>>> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter
>>> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your
>>> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
>>>
>>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this
>>> club.
>>>
>>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
>>> now in place to secure both outcomes.
>>>
>>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
>>> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying
>>> to destroy it from within.
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>> President
>>> POCA"
>>>
>>> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>   On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Am I to be removed from the POCA?
>>>>   Rod
>>>>
>>>>   From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>>   Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
>>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>>>   To: rkunishige at hotmail.com
>>>>   CC: jpoca2 at hotmail.com; JDeRyke at aol.com; MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
>>>> jb841 at cox.net; RREIDCPA at aol.com; paso750 at gmail.com;
>>>> qrtlow at gmail.com; edducati at mac.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Mr. Kunishige,
>>>>
>>>>   It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA
>>>> which operates through channels escapes you.
>>>>
>>>>   It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails
>>>> with you, that member should know that
>>>>   when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for
>>>> violating BOD policy.
>>>>
>>>>   Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not
>>>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies
>>>>   used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
>>>> amongst ourselves, these same issues
>>>>   are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
>>>> where all members can hear how we take care of business.
>>>>   I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
>>>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
>>>>   can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
>>>>
>>>>   It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last
>>>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
>>>>
>>>>   In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to
>>>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how?
>>>>   While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
>>>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first
>>>> year
>>>>   and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your
>>>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at
>>>> best.
>>>>   Here is why most new businesses fail.
>>>>
>>>>   1 Incompetence
>>>>   46 %
>>>>   Emotional Pricing
>>>>
>>>>   Living too high for the business
>>>>
>>>>   Nonpayment of taxes
>>>>
>>>>   No knowledge of pricing
>>>>
>>>>   Lack of planning
>>>>
>>>>   No knowledge of financing
>>>>
>>>>   No experience in record-keeping
>>>>   2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
>>>>   30 %
>>>>   Poor credit granting practices
>>>>
>>>>   Expansion too rapid
>>>>
>>>>   Inadequate borrowing practices
>>>>   3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
>>>>   11 %
>>>>   Carry inadequate inventory
>>>>
>>>>   No knowledge of suppliers
>>>>
>>>>   Wasted advertising budget
>>>>   5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
>>>>   1 %
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try,
>>>> that's the biggest failure of all.
>>>>
>>>>   You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
>>>> until now, I have tried to
>>>>   remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
>>>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
>>>>   you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
>>>>
>>>>   Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
>>>> part of any equation on my worksheet.
>>>>
>>>>   You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
>>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
>>>>   with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
>>>> personality type addicted to drama.
>>>>
>>>>   That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
>>>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
>>>>   BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe
>>>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
>>>>   go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
>>>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
>>>>   structure and civility.
>>>>
>>>>   If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
>>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
>>>>   you from this club.
>>>>
>>>>   I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
>>>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
>>>>
>>>>   This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player
>>>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
>>>>   of trying to destroy it from within.
>>>>
>>>>   Michael Shortt
>>>>   President
>>>>   POCA
>>>>
>>>>   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>>>>   Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>>>>   privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>>>> notified
>>>>   that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>>>>   communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender
>>>> that you
>>>>   have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>   What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
>>>> business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and
>>>> "take it offline" did you not understand?
>>>>
>>>>   By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list
>>>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you
>>>> are placing the whole club in a negative light.  This is adversely
>>>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
>>>>
>>>>   Copying the BOD.
>>>>
>>>>   Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>   Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>    Ed Menedez,
>>>>>
>>>>>    You say that facts are clearly important to you.
>>>>>
>>>>>    So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16,
>>>> 2016
>>>>>    email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
>>>> henceforth:
>>>>>    O/      Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
>>>> color
>>>>>    printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
>>>> printer,
>>>>>    and mailing partner.
>>>>>
>>>>>    O/      The existing printer will not print anything else for
>>>> POCA
>>>>>    after the June newsletter.
>>>>>
>>>>>    O/      Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
>>>>>
>>>>>    O/      effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
>>>>>    designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to
>>>>>    advertising content display.
>>>>>    the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in
>>>> total
>>>>>    space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2
>>>> page
>>>>>    horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
>>>>>
>>>>>    O/      You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that
>>>> he will
>>>>>    have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
>>>>>
>>>>>    O/      The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to
>>>> buy
>>>>>    ads to reach our memb ers.
>>>>>
>>>>>    O/      We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
>>>> POCA Road
>>>>>    Script and POCA crest.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
>>>>>    allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
>>>>>    adjustments.
>>>>>
>>>>>    My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to
>>>>>    consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased
>>>> to
>>>>>    publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within
>>>> its
>>>>>    full context.
>>>>>    NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the
>>>>>    writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
>>>> years
>>>>>    was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT.  I also owned
>>>> and
>>>>>    operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
>>>> Area for
>>>>>    4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
>>>> Store for
>>>>>    5 years.  Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
>>>> background. I
>>>>>    LOVE this club and vendors.  Its members have helped me
>>>> throughout the
>>>>>    decades.
>>>>>    Rod
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
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>>>>   --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Michael L. Shortt
>>>>   Savannah, Georgia
>>>>   www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>   michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>   912-232-9390
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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>>>>   have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
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   -------- Original message --------
   From: Dave <davel at emspace.com>
   Date: 2016-06-07 6:21 PM (GMT-07:00)
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   Y'awl 'd be talkin' Oklahoma there......
   On 6/7/2016 11:23 AM, Larry - Ohio Time wrote:
   > << outlaw territory >>
   >
   > Kinda like Texas in the "Cloud"
   >
   > Larry (I'm in) - Cleveland
   >
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   > Of cengles at cox.net
   > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:58 PM
   > To: dave at damardirect.com
   > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; msm at portata.com;
   > rkunishige at hotmail.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   >
   > Dear Dave:  Exactly and precisely.  His empire does not extend to
   this
   > outlaw territory.    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote:
   >
   >> So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group,
   >> correct?
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM
   >> To: 'Charles McCall'; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod
   >> Kunishige'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   >>
   >> Thank you!
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
   >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM
   >> To: Dave; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige'
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   >>
   >> True on both counts.
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   >> Behalf Of Dave
   >> Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17
   >> To: msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
   >> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   >>
   >> Can someone enlighten me, please?
   >> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued
   >> from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
   >> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
   >> Is this true?
   >> Thanks
   >> IndyDave
   >>
   >> -----Original Message-----
   >> From: msm at portata.com [mailto:msm at portata.com]
   >> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM
   >> To: scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
   >> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   >>
   >> Rod -- you are always welcome here.  Thank you for your many years
   of
   >> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community.
   >>
   >>
   >> ------ Original Message ------
   >> From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
   >> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   >>
   >>> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
   >>> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I
   >>> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or
   >>> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of
   verbal
   >>> and textual diarrhea.
   >>>
   >>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
   part
   >>> of any equation on my worksheet.
   >>>
   >>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
   >>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what
   >>> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type
   >>> addicted to drama.
   >>>
   >>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
   censure
   >>> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working
   >>> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier
   >>> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter
   >>> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your
   >>> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
   >>>
   >>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
   >>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from
   this
   >>> club.
   >>>
   >>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
   votes
   >>> now in place to secure both outcomes.
   >>>
   >>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player
   and
   >>> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying
   >>> to destroy it from within.
   >>>
   >>> Michael Shortt
   >>> President
   >>> POCA"
   >>>
   >>> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>   On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige
   <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
   >>>> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>   Am I to be removed from the POCA?
   >>>>   Rod
   >>>>
   >>>>   From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
   >>>>   Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
   >>>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   >>>>   To: rkunishige at hotmail.com
   >>>>   CC: jpoca2 at hotmail.com; JDeRyke at aol.com; MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
   >>>> jb841 at cox.net; RREIDCPA at aol.com; paso750 at gmail.com;
   >>>> qrtlow at gmail.com; edducati at mac.com
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>   Mr. Kunishige,
   >>>>
   >>>>   It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized
   POCA
   >>>> which operates through channels escapes you.
   >>>>
   >>>>   It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails
   >>>> with you, that member should know that
   >>>>   when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them
   for
   >>>> violating BOD policy.
   >>>>
   >>>>   Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not
   >>>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies
   >>>>   used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
   >>>> amongst ourselves, these same issues
   >>>>   are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
   >>>> where all members can hear how we take care of business.
   >>>>   I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
   >>>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
   >>>>   can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
   >>>>
   >>>>   It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the
   last
   >>>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
   >>>>
   >>>>   In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to
   >>>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how?
   >>>>   While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
   >>>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first
   >>>> year
   >>>>   and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your
   >>>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10%
   at
   >>>> best.
   >>>>   Here is why most new businesses fail.
   >>>>
   >>>>   1 Incompetence
   >>>>   46 %
   >>>>   Emotional Pricing
   >>>>
   >>>>   Living too high for the business
   >>>>
   >>>>   Nonpayment of taxes
   >>>>
   >>>>   No knowledge of pricing
   >>>>
   >>>>   Lack of planning
   >>>>
   >>>>   No knowledge of financing
   >>>>
   >>>>   No experience in record-keeping
   >>>>   2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
   >>>>   30 %
   >>>>   Poor credit granting practices
   >>>>
   >>>>   Expansion too rapid
   >>>>
   >>>>   Inadequate borrowing practices
   >>>>   3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
   >>>>   11 %
   >>>>   Carry inadequate inventory
   >>>>
   >>>>   No knowledge of suppliers
   >>>>
   >>>>   Wasted advertising budget
   >>>>   5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
   >>>>   1 %
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>   Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try,
   >>>> that's the biggest failure of all.
   >>>>
   >>>>   You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble,
   up
   >>>> until now, I have tried to
   >>>>   remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until
   Michael
   >>>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
   >>>>   you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual
   diarrhea.
   >>>>
   >>>>   Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
   >>>> part of any equation on my worksheet.
   >>>>
   >>>>   You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
   >>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
   >>>>   with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
   >>>> personality type addicted to drama.
   >>>>
   >>>>   That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
   >>>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
   >>>>   BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I
   believe
   >>>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
   >>>>   go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
   >>>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
   >>>>   structure and civility.
   >>>>
   >>>>   If you make another very poor decision to continue these
   actions, I
   >>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
   >>>>   you from this club.
   >>>>
   >>>>   I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
   >>>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
   >>>>
   >>>>   This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team
   player
   >>>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
   >>>>   of trying to destroy it from within.
   >>>>
   >>>>   Michael Shortt
   >>>>   President
   >>>>   POCA
   >>>>
   >>>>   This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
   >>>>   Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
   legally
   >>>>   privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby
   >>>> notified
   >>>>   that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
   this
   >>>>   communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the
   sender
   >>>> that you
   >>>>   have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>   On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
   wrote:
   >>>>   What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
   >>>> business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and
   >>>> "take it offline" did you not understand?
   >>>>
   >>>>   By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email
   list
   >>>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you
   >>>> are placing the whole club in a negative light.  This is adversely
   >>>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
   >>>>
   >>>>   Copying the BOD.
   >>>>
   >>>>   Kind regards,
   >>>>
   >>>>   Ed
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
   >>>> wrote:
   >>>>>    Ed Menedez,
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    You say that facts are clearly important to you.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May
   16,
   >>>> 2016
   >>>>>    email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
   >>>> henceforth:
   >>>>>    O/      Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come
   full
   >>>> color
   >>>>>    printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
   >>>> printer,
   >>>>>    and mailing partner.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    O/      The existing printer will not print anything else for
   >>>> POCA
   >>>>>    after the June newsletter.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    O/      Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    O/      effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
   >>>>>    designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space
   to
   >>>>>    advertising content display.
   >>>>>    the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages
   in
   >>>> total
   >>>>>    space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. &
   1/2
   >>>> page
   >>>>>    horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    O/      You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so
   that
   >>>> he will
   >>>>>    have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    O/      The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have
   to
   >>>> buy
   >>>>>    ads to reach our memb ers.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    O/      We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
   >>>> POCA Road
   >>>>>    Script and POCA crest.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
   >>>>>    allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
   >>>>>    adjustments.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions
   to
   >>>>>    consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>    Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most
   pleased
   >>>> to
   >>>>>    publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it
   within
   >>>> its
   >>>>>    full context.
   >>>>>    NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of
   the
   >>>>>    writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
   >>>> years
   >>>>>    was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT.  I also
   owned
   >>>> and
   >>>>>    operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
   >>>> Area for
   >>>>>    4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
   >>>> Store for
   >>>>>    5 years.  Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
   >>>> background. I
   >>>>>    LOVE this club and vendors.  Its members have helped me
   >>>> throughout the
   >>>>>    decades.
   >>>>>    Rod
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   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>   Michael L. Shortt
   >>>>   Savannah, Georgia
   >>>>   www.michaelshortt.com
   >>>>   michael at michaelshortt.com
   >>>>   912-232-9390
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