[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
cengles at cox.net
cengles at cox.net
Tue Jun 7 13:57:57 EDT 2016
Dear Dave: Exactly and precisely. His empire does not extend to this
outlaw territory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote:
> So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group,
> correct?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM
> To: 'Charles McCall'; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod
> Kunishige'
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> Thank you!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM
> To: Dave; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige'
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> True on both counts.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17
> To: msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> Can someone enlighten me, please?
> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued
> from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
> Is this true?
> Thanks
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: msm at portata.com [mailto:msm at portata.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM
> To: scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> Rod -- you are always welcome here. Thank you for your many years of
> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community.
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
>> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
>> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I
>> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or
>> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of verbal
>> and textual diarrhea.
>>
>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
>> of any equation on my worksheet.
>>
>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what
>> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type
>> addicted to drama.
>>
>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
>> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working
>> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier
>> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter
>> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your
>> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
>>
>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this
>> club.
>>
>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
>> now in place to secure both outcomes.
>>
>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
>> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying
>> to destroy it from within.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> President
>> POCA"
>>
>> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am I to be removed from the POCA?
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>> To: rkunishige at hotmail.com
>>> CC: jpoca2 at hotmail.com; JDeRyke at aol.com; MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
>>> jb841 at cox.net; RREIDCPA at aol.com; paso750 at gmail.com;
>>> qrtlow at gmail.com; edducati at mac.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr. Kunishige,
>>>
>>> It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA
>>> which operates through channels escapes you.
>>>
>>> It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails
>>> with you, that member should know that
>>> when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for
>>> violating BOD policy.
>>>
>>> Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not
>>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies
>>> used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
>>> amongst ourselves, these same issues
>>> are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
>>> where all members can hear how we take care of business.
>>> I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
>>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
>>> can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
>>>
>>> It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last
>>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
>>>
>>> In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to
>>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how?
>>> While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
>>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first
>>> year
>>> and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your
>>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at
>>> best.
>>> Here is why most new businesses fail.
>>>
>>> 1 Incompetence
>>> 46 %
>>> Emotional Pricing
>>>
>>> Living too high for the business
>>>
>>> Nonpayment of taxes
>>>
>>> No knowledge of pricing
>>>
>>> Lack of planning
>>>
>>> No knowledge of financing
>>>
>>> No experience in record-keeping
>>> 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
>>> 30 %
>>> Poor credit granting practices
>>>
>>> Expansion too rapid
>>>
>>> Inadequate borrowing practices
>>> 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
>>> 11 %
>>> Carry inadequate inventory
>>>
>>> No knowledge of suppliers
>>>
>>> Wasted advertising budget
>>> 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
>>> 1 %
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try,
>>> that's the biggest failure of all.
>>>
>>> You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
>>> until now, I have tried to
>>> remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
>>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
>>> you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual diarrhea.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
>>> part of any equation on my worksheet.
>>>
>>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
>>> with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
>>> personality type addicted to drama.
>>>
>>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
>>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
>>> BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe
>>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
>>> go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
>>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
>>> structure and civility.
>>>
>>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
>>> you from this club.
>>>
>>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
>>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
>>>
>>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player
>>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
>>> of trying to destroy it from within.
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>> President
>>> POCA
>>>
>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
>>> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>>> notified
>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
>>> that you
>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>> What part of “the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
>>> business”, "bring your grievances to your chapter president”, and
>>> “take it offline” did you not understand?
>>>
>>> By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list
>>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you
>>> are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is adversely
>>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
>>>
>>> Copying the BOD.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ed Menedez,
>>>>
>>>> You say that facts are clearly important to you.
>>>>
>>>> So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16,
>>> 2016
>>>> email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
>>> henceforth:
>>>>
>>>> O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
>>> color
>>>> printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
>>> printer,
>>>> and mailing partner.
>>>>
>>>> O/ The existing printer will not print anything else for
>>> POCA
>>>> after the June newsletter.
>>>>
>>>> O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
>>>>
>>>> O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
>>>> designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to
>>>> advertising content display.
>>>> the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in
>>> total
>>>> space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2
>>> page
>>>> horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
>>>>
>>>> O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that
>>> he will
>>>> have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
>>>>
>>>> O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to
>>> buy
>>>> ads to reach our memb ers.
>>>>
>>>> O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
>>> POCA Road
>>>> Script and POCA crest.
>>>>
>>>> Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
>>>> allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
>>>> adjustments.
>>>>
>>>> My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to
>>>> consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
>>>>
>>>> Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased
>>> to
>>>> publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within
>>> its
>>>> full context.
>>>> NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the
>>>> writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
>>> years
>>>> was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also owned
>>> and
>>>> operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
>>> Area for
>>>> 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
>>> Store for
>>>> 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
>>> background. I
>>>> LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me
>>> throughout the
>>>> decades.
>>>> Rod
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>> www.michaelshortt.com
>>> michael at michaelshortt.com
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>>>
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