[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Tue Jun 7 13:57:57 EDT 2016


Dear Dave:  Exactly and precisely.  His empire does not extend to this 
outlaw territory.    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles





On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dave wrote:

> So Short's threats of censorship have no relevance to this group, 
> correct?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:50 PM
> To: 'Charles McCall'; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod 
> Kunishige'
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> Thank you!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:42 PM
> To: Dave; msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; 'Rod Kunishige'
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> True on both counts.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: martes, 7 de junio de 2016 19:17
> To: msm at portata.com; scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> Can someone enlighten me, please?
> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was rescued 
> from being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the 
> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
> Is this true?
> Thanks
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: msm at portata.com [mailto:msm at portata.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:53 PM
> To: scottcouchman at yahoo.com; Rod Kunishige
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
> Rod -- you are always welcome here.  Thank you for your many years of 
> contributions to POCA and the greater DeTomaso community.
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: "Rod Kunishige" <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" 
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: 6/6/2016 5:30:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>
>> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up 
>> until now, I have tried to remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I 
>> think it was "until Michael Shortt stops messing with me" or 
>> something to that effect, you would stop having these fits of  verbal 
>> and textual diarrhea.
>>
>> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part 
>> of any equation on my worksheet.
>>
>> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for 
>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing with what 
>> seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality type 
>> addicted to drama.
>>
>> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure 
>> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing BOD working 
>> emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an earlier 
>> email, Ed made the process very clear, go through your Chapter 
>> President or contact one of us directly, instead of posting your 
>> failures and inability to comprehend structure and civility.
>>
>> If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I 
>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove you from this 
>> club.
>>
>> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes 
>> now in place to secure both outcomes.
>>
>> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and 
>> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead of trying 
>> to destroy it from within.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>> President
>> POCA"
>>
>> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Am I to be removed from the POCA?
>>>  Rod
>>>
>>>  From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>>  Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
>>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
>>>  To: rkunishige at hotmail.com
>>>  CC: jpoca2 at hotmail.com; JDeRyke at aol.com; MBGlobalSc at aol.com; 
>>> jb841 at cox.net; RREIDCPA at aol.com; paso750 at gmail.com; 
>>> qrtlow at gmail.com; edducati at mac.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  Mr. Kunishige,
>>>
>>>  It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA 
>>> which operates through channels escapes you.
>>>
>>>  It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails 
>>> with you, that member should know that
>>>  when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for 
>>> violating BOD policy.
>>>
>>>  Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not 
>>> entitled to our work emails, discussions or methodologies
>>>  used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed 
>>> amongst ourselves, these same issues
>>>  are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting 
>>> where all members can hear how we take care of business.
>>>  I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD 
>>> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
>>>  can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
>>>
>>>  It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last
>>> 10 years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
>>>
>>>  In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to 
>>> operate a business successfully relates to our situation how?
>>>  While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me, 
>>> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first 
>>> year
>>>  and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your 
>>> chance of still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at 
>>> best.
>>>  Here is why most new businesses fail.
>>>
>>>  1 Incompetence
>>>  46 %
>>>  Emotional Pricing
>>>
>>>  Living too high for the business
>>>
>>>  Nonpayment of taxes
>>>
>>>  No knowledge of pricing
>>>
>>>  Lack of planning
>>>
>>>  No knowledge of financing
>>>
>>>  No experience in record-keeping
>>>  2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
>>>  30 %
>>>  Poor credit granting practices
>>>
>>>  Expansion too rapid
>>>
>>>  Inadequate borrowing practices
>>>  3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
>>>  11 %
>>>  Carry inadequate inventory
>>>
>>>  No knowledge of suppliers
>>>
>>>  Wasted advertising budget
>>>  5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
>>>  1 %
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, 
>>> that's the biggest failure of all.
>>>
>>>  You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up 
>>> until now, I have tried to
>>>  remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael 
>>> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
>>>  you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
>>>
>>>  Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not 
>>> part of any equation on my worksheet.
>>>
>>>  You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for 
>>> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
>>>  with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social 
>>> personality type addicted to drama.
>>>
>>>  That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to 
>>> censure you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
>>>  BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe 
>>> in an earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
>>>  go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly, 
>>> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
>>>  structure and civility.
>>>
>>>  If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I 
>>> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
>>>  you from this club.
>>>
>>>  I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough 
>>> votes now in place to secure both outcomes.
>>>
>>>  This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player 
>>> and use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
>>>  of trying to destroy it from within.
>>>
>>>  Michael Shortt
>>>  President
>>>  POCA
>>>
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>>>  Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
>>>  privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby 
>>> notified
>>>  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>>>  communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender 
>>> that you
>>>  have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>  What part of “the email list should not be used to discuss POCA 
>>> business”, "bring your grievances to your chapter president”, and 
>>> “take it offline” did you not understand?
>>>
>>>  By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list 
>>> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you 
>>> are placing the whole club in a negative light.  This is adversely 
>>> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
>>>
>>>  Copying the BOD.
>>>
>>>  Kind regards,
>>>
>>>  Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Ed Menedez,
>>>>
>>>>   You say that facts are clearly important to you.
>>>>
>>>>   So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May 16,
>>> 2016
>>>>   email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
>>> henceforth:
>>>>
>>>>   O/      Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
>>> color
>>>>   printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
>>> printer,
>>>>   and mailing partner.
>>>>
>>>>   O/      The existing printer will not print anything else for
>>> POCA
>>>>   after the June newsletter.
>>>>
>>>>   O/      Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
>>>>
>>>>   O/      effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
>>>>   designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to
>>>>   advertising content display.
>>>>   the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in
>>> total
>>>>   space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. & 1/2
>>> page
>>>>   horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
>>>>
>>>>   O/      You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that
>>> he will
>>>>   have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
>>>>
>>>>   O/      The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to
>>> buy
>>>>   ads to reach our memb ers.
>>>>
>>>>   O/      We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
>>> POCA Road
>>>>   Script and POCA crest.
>>>>
>>>>   Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
>>>>   allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
>>>>   adjustments.
>>>>
>>>>   My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to
>>>>   consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
>>>>
>>>>   Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most pleased
>>> to
>>>>   publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within
>>> its
>>>>   full context.
>>>>   NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the
>>>>   writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
>>> years
>>>>   was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT.  I also owned
>>> and
>>>>   operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
>>> Area for
>>>>   4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
>>> Store for
>>>>   5 years.  Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
>>> background. I
>>>>   LOVE this club and vendors.  Its members have helped me
>>> throughout the
>>>>   decades.
>>>>   Rod
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Michael L. Shortt
>>>  Savannah, Georgia
>>>  www.michaelshortt.com
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>>>  912-232-9390
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