[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
cengles at cox.net
cengles at cox.net
Tue Jun 7 09:41:24 EDT 2016
Dear Ken,
You are a man of discriminating taste.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
> I don't read Shortt's posts, just delete them, so I didn't see it
> before I saw Scott's re-post. Sorry Scott.
> Ken
>
> From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 9:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> Ken,
>
> It appeared as if the post was written by Scott but if you read to
> the
> end you will see that this was written by POCA President Michael
> Shortt.
>
> I've met Scott and I don't believe he could ever have written
> something
> as hateful as this. I have been hoping that Mr. Shortt had mellowed
> out
> but apparently not.
>
> Forest
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: "scottcouchman at yahoo.com" <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>; Rod
> Kunishige
> <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> Scott,
> I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you really
> don't
> know Rod. I think Rod has always been a positive influence on the
> group in general, and every experience I have had with him has
> been
> positive. Rod has contributed as much or more to the community
> than
> anyone I know. If you every need a goodwill ambassador for the
> Pantera
> community, I think Rod would be high on the list.
> Ken
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "<[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble,
> up
> until now, I have tried to
> remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until
> Michael
> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
> you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual
> diarrhea.
> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
> part
> of any equation on my worksheet.
> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
> with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
> personality
> type addicted to drama.
> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
> censure
> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
> BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I
> believe
> in
> an
> earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
> go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
> structure and civility.
> If you make another very poor decision to continue these
> actions, I
> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
> you from this club.
> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
> votes
> now in place to secure both outcomes.
> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team
> player
> and
> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
> of trying to destroy it from within.
> Michael Shortt
> President
> POCA"
> Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige
> <[1][1][5]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> Am I to be removed from the POCA?
> Rod
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: [2][2][6]michaelsavga at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> To: [3][3][7]rkunishige at hotmail.com
> CC: [4][4][8]jpoca2 at hotmail.com; [5][5][9]JDeRyke at aol.com;
> [6][6][10]MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
> [7][7][11]jb841 at cox.net; [8][8][12]RREIDCPA at aol.com;
> [9][9][13]paso750 at gmail.com;
> [10][10][14]qrtlow at gmail.com; [11][11][15]edducati at mac.com
> Mr. Kunishige,
> It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized
> POCA
> which operates through channels escapes you.
> It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails
> with
> you, that member should know that
> when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them
> for
> violating BOD policy.
> Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not
> entitled
> to
> our work emails, discussions or methodologies
> used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
> amongst
> ourselves, these same issues
> are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
> where
> all members can hear how we take care of business.
> I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
> meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
> can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
> It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the
> last
> 10
> years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
> In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to
> operate
> a
> business successfully relates to our situation how?
> While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
> everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first
> year
> and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your
> chance
> of
> still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best.
> Here is why most new businesses fail.
> 1 Incompetence
> 46 %
> Emotional Pricing
> Living too high for the business
> Nonpayment of taxes
> No knowledge of pricing
> Lack of planning
> No knowledge of financing
> No experience in record-keeping
> 2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
> 30 %
> Poor credit granting practices
> Expansion too rapid
> Inadequate borrowing practices
> 3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
> 11 %
> Carry inadequate inventory
> No knowledge of suppliers
> Wasted advertising budget
> 5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
> 1 %
> Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try,
> that's
> the biggest failure of all.
> You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble,
> up
> until now, I have tried to
> remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until
> Michael
> Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
> you would stop having these fits of verbal and textual
> diarrhea.
> Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
> part
> of any equation on my worksheet.
> You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
> something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
> with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
> personality
> type addicted to drama.
> That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
> censure
> you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
> BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I
> believe
> in
> an
> earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
> go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
> instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
> structure and civility.
> If you make another very poor decision to continue these
> actions, I
> will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
> you from this club.
> I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
> votes
> now in place to secure both outcomes.
> This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team
> player
> and
> use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
> of trying to destroy it from within.
> Michael Shortt
> President
> POCA
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> hereby
> notified
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> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez
> <[12][12][16]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
> What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss
> POCA
> business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president",
> and
> "take it offline" did you not understand?
> By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email
> list
> with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt;
> you
> are placing the whole club in a negative light. This is
> adversely
> effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
> Copying the BOD.
> Kind regards,
> Ed
> > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige
> <[13][13][17]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ed Menedez,
> >
> > You say that facts are clearly important to you.
> >
> > So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS
> May
> 16, 2016
> > email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
> henceforth:
> >
> > O/ Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come
> full
> color
> > printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a
> new
> printer,
> > and mailing partner.
> >
> > O/ The existing printer will not print anything else
> for
> POCA
> > after the June newsletter.
> >
> > O/ Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
> >
> > O/ effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
> > designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total
> space
> to
> > advertising content display.
> > the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5
> pages
> in
> total
> > space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3.
> &
> 1/2 page
> > horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page
> ad.
> >
> > O/ You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so
> that
> he will
> > have the final say on ad placement before adthing is
> printed.
> >
> > O/ The vendor listings are to be removed. They will
> have
> to
> buy
> > ads to reach our memb ers.
> >
> > O/ We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned
> up
> POCA Road
> > Script and POCA crest.
> >
> > Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed
> space
> > allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
> > adjustments.
> >
> > My view is that these are clearly directives not
> suggestions
> to
> > consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
> >
> > Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most
> pleased to
> > publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it
> within
> its
> > full context.
> > NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications
> of
> the
> > writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of
> 35
> years
> > was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT. I also
> owned
> and
> > operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF
> Bay
> Area for
> > 4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent
> Toy
> Store for
> > 5 years. Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
> background. I
> > LOVE this club and vendors. Its members have helped me
> throughout the
> > decades.
> > Rod
> > _______________________________________________
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