[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 7 01:04:32 EDT 2016


I don't read Shortt's posts, just delete them, so I didn't see it before I saw Scott's re-post.  Sorry Scott.
Ken

      From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
 To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
 Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 9:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
   
  Ken,

  It appeared as if the post was written by Scott but if you read to the
  end you will see that this was written by POCA President Michael
  Shortt.

  I've met Scott and I don't believe he could ever have written something
  as hateful as this. I have been hoping that Mr. Shortt had mellowed out
  but apparently not.

  Forest
    __________________________________________________________________

  From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  To: "scottcouchman at yahoo.com" <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>; Rod Kunishige
  <rkunishige at hotmail.com>
  Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
    Scott,
        I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you really
  don't
    know Rod.  I think Rod has always been a positive influence on the
    group in general, and every experience I have had with him has been
    positive.  Rod has contributed as much or more to the community than
    anyone I know.  If you every need a goodwill ambassador for the
  Pantera
    community, I think Rod would be high on the list.
    Ken
      __________________________________________________________________
    From: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
  <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    To: Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
    Cc: "<[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
    <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 5:30 PM
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
      "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
      until now, I have tried to
      remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
      Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
      you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
      Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
  part
      of any equation on my worksheet.
      You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
      something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
      with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
  personality
      type addicted to drama.
      That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
  censure
      you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
      BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe
  in
    an
      earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
      go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
      instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
      structure and civility.
      If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
      will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
      you from this club.
      I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
  votes
      now in place to secure both outcomes.
      This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player
  and
      use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
      of trying to destroy it from within.
      Michael Shortt
      President
      POCA"
      Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
      On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige
    <[1][1][5]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      Am I to be removed from the POCA?
      Rod

  __________________________________________________________________
      From: [2][2][6]michaelsavga at gmail.com
      Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
      To: [3][3][7]rkunishige at hotmail.com
      CC: [4][4][8]jpoca2 at hotmail.com; [5][5][9]JDeRyke at aol.com;
    [6][6][10]MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
      [7][7][11]jb841 at cox.net; [8][8][12]RREIDCPA at aol.com;
  [9][9][13]paso750 at gmail.com;
      [10][10][14]qrtlow at gmail.com; [11][11][15]edducati at mac.com
      Mr. Kunishige,
      It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA
      which operates through channels escapes you.
      It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails
  with
      you, that member should know that
      when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for
      violating BOD policy.
      Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not
  entitled
    to
      our work emails, discussions or methodologies
      used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
    amongst
      ourselves, these same issues
      are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
    where
      all members can hear how we take care of business.
      I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
      meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
      can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
      It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last
    10
      years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
      In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to
  operate
    a
      business successfully relates to our situation how?
      While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
      everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first
  year
      and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your
  chance
    of
      still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best.
      Here is why most new businesses fail.
      1 Incompetence
                                        46 %
      Emotional Pricing
      Living too high for the business
      Nonpayment of taxes
      No knowledge of pricing
      Lack of planning
      No knowledge of financing
      No experience in record-keeping
      2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
                                        30 %
      Poor credit granting practices
      Expansion too rapid
      Inadequate borrowing practices
      3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
                                        11 %
      Carry inadequate inventory
      No knowledge of suppliers
      Wasted advertising budget
      5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
                                        1 %
      Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try,
  that's
      the biggest failure of all.
      You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
      until now, I have tried to
      remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
      Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
      you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
      Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
  part
      of any equation on my worksheet.
      You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
      something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
      with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
  personality
      type addicted to drama.
      That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
  censure
      you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
      BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe
  in
    an
      earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
      go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
      instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
      structure and civility.
      If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
      will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
      you from this club.
      I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
  votes
      now in place to secure both outcomes.
      This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player
  and
      use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
      of trying to destroy it from within.
      Michael Shortt
      President
      POCA
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      On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez
  <[12][12][16]edducati at mac.com>
    wrote:
        What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
        business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and
        "take it offline" did you not understand?
        By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list
        with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt;
  you
        are placing the whole club in a negative light.  This is
  adversely
        effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
        Copying the BOD.
        Kind regards,
        Ed
        > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige
    <[13][13][17]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
        wrote:
        >
        >  Ed Menedez,
        >
        >  You say that facts are clearly important to you.
        >
        >  So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May
        16, 2016
        >  email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
        henceforth:
        >
        >  O/      Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come
  full
        color
        >  printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
        printer,
        >  and mailing partner.
        >
        >  O/      The existing printer will not print anything else for
        POCA
        >  after the June newsletter.
        >
        >  O/      Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
        >
        >  O/      effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
        >  designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space
  to
        >  advertising content display.
        >  the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages
  in
        total
        >  space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. &
        1/2 page
        >  horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
        >
        >  O/      You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so
  that
        he will
        >  have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
        >
        >  O/      The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have
  to
        buy
        >  ads to reach our memb ers.
        >
        >  O/      We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
        POCA Road
        >  Script and POCA crest.
        >
        >  Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
        >  allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
        >  adjustments.
        >
        >  My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions
  to
        >  consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
        >
        >  Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most
        pleased to
        >  publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it
  within
        its
        >  full context.
        >  NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of
  the
        >  writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
        years
        >  was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT.  I also
  owned
        and
        >  operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
        Area for
        >  4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
        Store for
        >  5 years.  Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
        background. I
        >  LOVE this club and vendors.  Its members have helped me
        throughout the
        >  decades.
        >  Rod
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   I don't read Shortt's posts, just delete them, so I didn't see it
   before I saw Scott's re-post.  Sorry Scott.
   Ken
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
   To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 9:45 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
     Ken,
     It appeared as if the post was written by Scott but if you read to
   the
     end you will see that this was written by POCA President Michael
     Shortt.
     I've met Scott and I don't believe he could ever have written
   something
     as hateful as this. I have been hoping that Mr. Shortt had mellowed
   out
     but apparently not.
     Forest
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     To: "[2]scottcouchman at yahoo.com" <[3]scottcouchman at yahoo.com>; Rod
   Kunishige
     <[4]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
     Cc: "<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
     <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 8:21 PM
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
       Scott,
           I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you really
     don't
       know Rod.  I think Rod has always been a positive influence on the
       group in general, and every experience I have had with him has been
       positive.  Rod has contributed as much or more to the community
   than
       anyone I know.  If you every need a goodwill ambassador for the
     Pantera
       community, I think Rod would be high on the list.
       Ken

   __________________________________________________________________
       From: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
     <[1][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
       To: Rod Kunishige <[2][8]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
       Cc: "<[3][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
       <[4][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
       Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 5:30 PM
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
         "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble,
   up
         until now, I have tried to
         remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until
   Michael
         Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
         you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
         Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
     part
         of any equation on my worksheet.
         You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
         something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
         with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
     personality
         type addicted to drama.
         That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
     censure
         you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
         BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe
     in
       an
         earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
         go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
         instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
         structure and civility.
         If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions,
   I
         will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
         you from this club.
         I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
     votes
         now in place to secure both outcomes.
         This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player
     and
         use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
         of trying to destroy it from within.
         Michael Shortt
         President
         POCA"
         Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
         On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige
       <[1][1][5][11]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
         wrote:
         Am I to be removed from the POCA?
         Rod
     __________________________________________________________________
         From: [2][2][6][12]michaelsavga at gmail.com
         Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
         Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
         To: [3][3][7][13]rkunishige at hotmail.com
         CC: [4][4][8][14]jpoca2 at hotmail.com;
   [5][5][9][15]JDeRyke at aol.com;
       [6][6][10][16]MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
         [7][7][11][17]jb841 at cox.net; [8][8][12][18]RREIDCPA at aol.com;
     [9][9][13][19]paso750 at gmail.com;
         [10][10][14][20]qrtlow at gmail.com;
   [11][11][15][21]edducati at mac.com
         Mr. Kunishige,
         It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized
   POCA
         which operates through channels escapes you.
         It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails
     with
         you, that member should know that
         when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them
   for
         violating BOD policy.
         Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not
     entitled
       to
         our work emails, discussions or methodologies
         used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
       amongst
         ourselves, these same issues
         are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
       where
         all members can hear how we take care of business.
         I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
         meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
         can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
         It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the
   last
       10
         years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
         In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to
     operate
       a
         business successfully relates to our situation how?
         While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
         everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first
     year
         and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your
     chance
       of
         still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best.
         Here is why most new businesses fail.
         1 Incompetence
                                           46 %
         Emotional Pricing
         Living too high for the business
         Nonpayment of taxes
         No knowledge of pricing
         Lack of planning
         No knowledge of financing
         No experience in record-keeping
         2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
                                           30 %
         Poor credit granting practices
         Expansion too rapid
         Inadequate borrowing practices
         3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
                                           11 %
         Carry inadequate inventory
         No knowledge of suppliers
         Wasted advertising budget
         5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
                                           1 %
         Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try,
     that's
         the biggest failure of all.
         You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble,
   up
         until now, I have tried to
         remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until
   Michael
         Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
         you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
         Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not
     part
         of any equation on my worksheet.
         You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
         something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
         with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social
     personality
         type addicted to drama.
         That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to
     censure
         you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
         BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe
     in
       an
         earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
         go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
         instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
         structure and civility.
         If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions,
   I
         will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
         you from this club.
         I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough
     votes
         now in place to secure both outcomes.
         This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player
     and
         use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
         of trying to destroy it from within.
         Michael Shortt
         President
         POCA
         This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
         Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
         privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
   hereby
         notified
         that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
   this
         communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender
       that
         you
         have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
         On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez
     <[12][12][16][22]edducati at mac.com>
       wrote:
           What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
           business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president",
   and
           "take it offline" did you not understand?
           By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email
   list
           with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt;
     you
           are placing the whole club in a negative light.  This is
     adversely
           effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
           Copying the BOD.
           Kind regards,
           Ed
           > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige
       <[13][13][17][23]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
           wrote:
           >
           >  Ed Menedez,
           >
           >  You say that facts are clearly important to you.
           >
           >  So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS
   May
           16, 2016
           >  email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
           henceforth:
           >
           >  O/      Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come
     full
           color
           >  printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a
   new
           printer,
           >  and mailing partner.
           >
           >  O/      The existing printer will not print anything else
   for
           POCA
           >  after the June newsletter.
           >
           >  O/      Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
           >
           >  O/      effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
           >  designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total
   space
     to
           >  advertising content display.
           >  the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5
   pages
     in
           total
           >  space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3.
   &
           1/2 page
           >  horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page
   ad.
           >
           >  O/      You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so
     that
           he will
           >  have the final say on ad placement before adthing is
   printed.
           >
           >  O/      The vendor listings are to be removed. They will
   have
     to
           buy
           >  ads to reach our memb ers.
           >
           >  O/      We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned
   up
           POCA Road
           >  Script and POCA crest.
           >
           >  Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed
   space
           >  allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
           >  adjustments.
           >
           >  My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions
     to
           >  consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
           >
           >  Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most
           pleased to
           >  publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it
     within
           its
           >  full context.
           >  NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of
     the
           >  writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of
   35
           years
           >  was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT.  I also
     owned
           and
           >  operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF
   Bay
           Area for
           >  4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
           Store for
           >  5 years.  Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
           background. I
           >  LOVE this club and vendors.  Its members have helped me
           throughout the
           >  decades.
           >  Rod
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         10. mailto:[26][30][36]qrtlow at gmail.com
         11. mailto:[27][31][37]edducati at mac.com
         12. mailto:[28][32][38]edducati at mac.com
         13. mailto:[29][33][39]rkunishige at hotmail.com
         14. mailto:[30][34][40]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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       5. mailto:[44][50]JDeRyke at aol.com
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       8. mailto:[47][53]RREIDCPA at aol.com
       9. mailto:[48][54]paso750 at gmail.com
       10. mailto:[49][55]qrtlow at gmail.com
       11. mailto:[50][56]edducati at mac.com
       12. mailto:[51][57]edducati at mac.com
       13. mailto:[52][58]rkunishige at hotmail.com
       14. mailto:[53][59]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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       17. mailto:[56][62]rkunishige at hotmail.com
       18. mailto:[57][63]michaelsavga at gmail.com
       19. mailto:[58][64]rkunishige at hotmail.com
       20. mailto:[59][65]jpoca2 at hotmail.com
       21. mailto:[60][66]JDeRyke at aol.com
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       25. mailto:[64][70]paso750 at gmail.com
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       28. mailto:[67][73]edducati at mac.com
       29. mailto:[68][74]rkunishige at hotmail.com
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     15. mailto:[97]edducati at mac.com
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