[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum

mark skwarek ehpantera at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 6 21:20:09 EDT 2016


Someone out there really has some thin skin. Wouldn't make it in politics. 

    On Monday, June 6, 2016 8:30 PM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
 

   "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
  until now, I have tried to
  remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
  Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
  you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
  Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
  of any equation on my worksheet.
  You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
  something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
  with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality
  type addicted to drama.
  That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
  you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
  BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an
  earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
  go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
  instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
  structure and civility.
  If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
  will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
  you from this club.
  I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
  now in place to secure both outcomes.
  This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
  use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
  of trying to destroy it from within.
  Michael Shortt
  President
  POCA"
  Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?

  On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige <[1]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
  wrote:

  Am I to be removed from the POCA?
  Rod
    __________________________________________________________________

  From: [2]michaelsavga at gmail.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
  To: [3]rkunishige at hotmail.com
  CC: [4]jpoca2 at hotmail.com; [5]JDeRyke at aol.com; [6]MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
  [7]jb841 at cox.net; [8]RREIDCPA at aol.com; [9]paso750 at gmail.com;
  [10]qrtlow at gmail.com; [11]edducati at mac.com
  Mr. Kunishige,
  It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA
  which operates through channels escapes you.
  It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with
  you, that member should know that
  when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for
  violating BOD policy.
  Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled to
  our work emails, discussions or methodologies
  used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed amongst
  ourselves, these same issues
  are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting where
  all members can hear how we take care of business.
  I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
  meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
  can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
  It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last 10
  years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
  In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate a
  business successfully relates to our situation how?
  While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
  everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year
  and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance of
  still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best.
  Here is why most new businesses fail.
  1 Incompetence

                                    46 %

  Emotional Pricing

  Living too high for the business

  Nonpayment of taxes

  No knowledge of pricing

  Lack of planning

  No knowledge of financing

  No experience in record-keeping
  2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience

                                    30 %

  Poor credit granting practices

  Expansion too rapid

  Inadequate borrowing practices
  3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services

                                    11 %

  Carry inadequate inventory

  No knowledge of suppliers

  Wasted advertising budget
  5 Neglect, fraud, disaster

                                    1 %


  Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's
  the biggest failure of all.
  You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
  until now, I have tried to
  remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
  Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
  you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
  Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
  of any equation on my worksheet.
  You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
  something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
  with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality
  type addicted to drama.
  That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
  you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
  BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in an
  earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
  go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
  instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
  structure and civility.
  If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
  will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
  you from this club.
  I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
  now in place to secure both outcomes.
  This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
  use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
  of trying to destroy it from within.
  Michael Shortt
  President
  POCA
  This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
  Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
  privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
  notified
  that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
  communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender that
  you
  have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <[12]edducati at mac.com> wrote:

    What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
    business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and
    "take it offline" did you not understand?
    By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list
    with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you
    are placing the whole club in a negative light.  This is adversely
    effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
    Copying the BOD.
    Kind regards,
    Ed
    > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige <[13]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    >
    >  Ed Menedez,
    >
    >  You say that facts are clearly important to you.
    >
    >  So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May
    16, 2016
    >  email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
    henceforth:
    >
    >  O/      Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
    color
    >  printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
    printer,
    >  and mailing partner.
    >
    >  O/      The existing printer will not print anything else for
    POCA
    >  after the June newsletter.
    >
    >  O/      Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
    >
    >  O/      effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
    >  designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to
    >  advertising content display.
    >  the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in
    total
    >  space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. &
    1/2 page
    >  horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
    >
    >  O/      You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that
    he will
    >  have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
    >
    >  O/      The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to
    buy
    >  ads to reach our memb ers.
    >
    >  O/      We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
    POCA Road
    >  Script and POCA crest.
    >
    >  Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
    >  allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
    >  adjustments.
    >
    >  My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to
    >  consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
    >
    >  Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most
    pleased to
    >  publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within
    its
    >  full context.
    >  NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the
    >  writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
    years
    >  was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT.  I also owned
    and
    >  operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
    Area for
    >  4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
    Store for
    >  5 years.  Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
    background. I
    >  LOVE this club and vendors.  Its members have helped me
    throughout the
    >  decades.
    >  Rod
    > _______________________________________________
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  Michael L. Shortt
  Savannah, Georgia
  [16]www.michaelshortt.com
  [17]michael at michaelshortt.com
  912-232-9390

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References

  1. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
  2. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
  3. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
  4. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
  5. mailto:JDeRyke at aol.com
  6. mailto:MBGlobalSc at aol.com
  7. mailto:jb841 at cox.net
  8. mailto:RREIDCPA at aol.com
  9. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
  10. mailto:qrtlow at gmail.com
  11. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  12. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  13. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  16. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
  17. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com

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   Someone out there really has some thin skin. Wouldn't make it in
   politics.
   On Monday, June 6, 2016 8:30 PM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     "You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
     until now, I have tried to
     remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
     Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
     you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
     Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
     of any equation on my worksheet.
     You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
     something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
     with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality
     type addicted to drama.
     That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
     you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
     BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in
   an
     earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
     go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
     instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
     structure and civility.
     If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
     will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
     you from this club.
     I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
     now in place to secure both outcomes.
     This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
     use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
     of trying to destroy it from within.
     Michael Shortt
     President
     POCA"
     Wow! Really? I thought this was a car club?
     On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Rod Kunishige
   <[1][1]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
     wrote:
     Am I to be removed from the POCA?
     Rod
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: [2][2]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:34:45 -0400
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
     To: [3][3]rkunishige at hotmail.com
     CC: [4][4]jpoca2 at hotmail.com; [5][5]JDeRyke at aol.com;
   [6][6]MBGlobalSc at aol.com;
     [7][7]jb841 at cox.net; [8][8]RREIDCPA at aol.com; [9][9]paso750 at gmail.com;
     [10][10]qrtlow at gmail.com; [11][11]edducati at mac.com
     Mr. Kunishige,
     It appears the theme of a nicer, more friendly, and organized POCA
     which operates through channels escapes you.
     It also appears a sitting BOD member is sharing BOD ONLY emails with
     you, that member should know that
     when I find them out, I will put forth a motion to censure them for
     violating BOD policy.
     Since you are not an elected member of the BOD, you are not entitled
   to
     our work emails, discussions or methodologies
     used to arrive at how we do business, once formatted, discussed
   amongst
     ourselves, these same issues
     are put forth in an agenda, discussed during an Open BOD meeting
   where
     all members can hear how we take care of business.
     I think with the exception of the last 3 minutes of the last BOD
     meeting, it was an excellent example of how civil discourse
     can happen even between people with disparate points of view.
     It is called a process, nothing happens by itself, I think the last
   10
     years of POCA pretty much proves that point.
     In regard to your past, an inability to maintain a job or to operate
   a
     business successfully relates to our situation how?
     While owning a toy store would be a dream for somebody like me,
     everybody knows that 4 out of 5 new businesses fail in the first year
     and of those, 4 out of 5 will never see a fifth year, so your chance
   of
     still operating a toy store for five years was only 10% at best.
     Here is why most new businesses fail.
     1 Incompetence
                                       46 %
     Emotional Pricing
     Living too high for the business
     Nonpayment of taxes
     No knowledge of pricing
     Lack of planning
     No knowledge of financing
     No experience in record-keeping
     2 Unbalanced Experience or Lack of Managerial Experience
                                       30 %
     Poor credit granting practices
     Expansion too rapid
     Inadequate borrowing practices
     3 Lack of Experiences in line of goods or services
                                       11 %
     Carry inadequate inventory
     No knowledge of suppliers
     Wasted advertising budget
     5 Neglect, fraud, disaster
                                       1 %
     Nobody judges you, we have all had failures, if you don't try, that's
     the biggest failure of all.
     You seem to be someone bound and determined to stir up trouble, up
     until now, I have tried to
     remain quiet, in your last diatribe, I think it was "until Michael
     Shortt stops messing with me" or something to that effect,
     you would stop having these fits of  verbal and textual diarrhea.
     Frankly, I haven't given you another thought, you simply are not part
     of any equation on my worksheet.
     You simply are a waste of my time which could be better used for
     something to benefit the membership instead of dealing
     with what seems to be a clinically depressed, anti social personality
     type addicted to drama.
     That's changed, at the next BOD meeting I will be seeking to censure
     you as a member for violating our policies, for sharing
     BOD working emails and for not working within channels. I believe in
   an
     earlier email, Ed made the process very clear,
     go through your Chapter President or contact one of us directly,
     instead of posting your failures and inability to comprehend
     structure and civility.
     If you make another very poor decision to continue these actions, I
     will seek a second censure in 30 days and ask to remove
     you from this club.
     I am not the only one tried of your behavior, there are enough votes
     now in place to secure both outcomes.
     This is the last time that I will ask you to become a team player and
     use your energies to help make POCA a better club instead
     of trying to destroy it from within.
     Michael Shortt
     President
     POCA
     This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
     Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally
     privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
     notified
     that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
     communication is strictly prohibited.  Please reply to the sender
   that
     you
     have received this message in error, then delete it.  Thank you
     On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Ed Mendez <[12][12]edducati at mac.com>
   wrote:
       What part of "the email list should not be used to discuss POCA
       business", "bring your grievances to your chapter president", and
       "take it offline" did you not understand?
       By you copying members and non members of POCA on this email list
       with your grievances, and personal issues with Michael Shortt; you
       are placing the whole club in a negative light.  This is adversely
       effecting the clubs ability to recruit new members.
       Copying the BOD.
       Kind regards,
       Ed
       > On 6/06/2016, at 10:11, Rod Kunishige
   <[13][13]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
       wrote:
       >
       >  Ed Menedez,
       >
       >  You say that facts are clearly important to you.
       >
       >  So, let me quote you some snippets taken directly from MS May
       16, 2016
       >  email Subject: Newsletter and Profiles printing/design
       henceforth:
       >
       >  O/      Meanwhile, as a part of this change will also come full
       color
       >  printing on all pages in both the Newsletter / Profiles, a new
       printer,
       >  and mailing partner.
       >
       >  O/      The existing printer will not print anything else for
       POCA
       >  after the June newsletter.
       >
       >  O/      Your new printing partner is PrintingCenterUSA,
       >
       >  O/      effective immediately we will begin to adopt layout
       >  designs/templa tes which will dedicate 20% of the total space to
       >  advertising content display.
       >  the Newsletter needs to be 32 total pages each month, 5 pages in
       total
       >  space needs to be evenly distributed in 1/8 page, 1/4, 1/3. &
       1/2 page
       >  horitzontal ads and 1/2 page vertical ads plus a full page ad.
       >
       >  O/      You will need to coordinate with Ed with proofs so that
       he will
       >  have the final say on ad placement before adthing is printed.
       >
       >  O/      The vendor listings are to be removed. They will have to
       buy
       >  ads to reach our memb ers.
       >
       >  O/      We also need to use ONLY the newly revised/cleaned up
       POCA Road
       >  Script and POCA crest.
       >
       >  Completely detailed specifications are also set as fixed space
       >  allocations for both pubs without consideration for content
       >  adjustments.
       >
       >  My view is that these are clearly directives not suggestions to
       >  consider to fellow POCA Board Members.
       >
       >  Ed, should you wish to challenge these facts, Ill be most
       pleased to
       >  publish the email in its entirety so everyone may view it within
       its
       >  full context.
       >  NOTE: There seems to be a need to know the qualifications of the
       >  writers who post here. So, let me explain that my career of 35
       years
       >  was in Information Technology ending as VP of IT.  I also owned
       and
       >  operated a mailing house directing publications in the SF Bay
       Area for
       >  4 years and owned and operated a 9,000 sq ft independent Toy
       Store for
       >  5 years.  Hope this helps the readers who wish to know my
       background. I
       >  LOVE this club and vendors.  Its members have helped me
       throughout the
       >  decades.
       >  Rod
       > _______________________________________________
       >
       >
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   forward
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     --
     Michael L. Shortt
     Savannah, Georgia
     [16]www.michaelshortt.com
     [17][16]michael at michaelshortt.com
     912-232-9390
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   References
     1. mailto:[17]rkunishige at hotmail.com
     2. mailto:[18]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     3. mailto:[19]rkunishige at hotmail.com
     4. mailto:[20]jpoca2 at hotmail.com
     5. mailto:[21]JDeRyke at aol.com
     6. mailto:[22]MBGlobalSc at aol.com
     7. mailto:[23]jb841 at cox.net
     8. mailto:[24]RREIDCPA at aol.com
     9. mailto:[25]paso750 at gmail.com
     10. mailto:[26]qrtlow at gmail.com
     11. mailto:[27]edducati at mac.com
     12. mailto:[28]edducati at mac.com
     13. mailto:[29]rkunishige at hotmail.com
     14. mailto:[30]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     15. [31]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     16. [32]http://www.michaelshortt.com/
     17. mailto:[33]michael at michaelshortt.com
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References

   1. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
   2. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
   3. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
   4. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
   5. mailto:JDeRyke at aol.com
   6. mailto:MBGlobalSc at aol.com
   7. mailto:jb841 at cox.net
   8. mailto:RREIDCPA at aol.com
   9. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
  10. mailto:qrtlow at gmail.com
  11. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  12. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  13. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  16. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
  17. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
  18. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
  19. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
  20. mailto:jpoca2 at hotmail.com
  21. mailto:JDeRyke at aol.com
  22. mailto:MBGlobalSc at aol.com
  23. mailto:jb841 at cox.net
  24. mailto:RREIDCPA at aol.com
  25. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
  26. mailto:qrtlow at gmail.com
  27. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  28. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  29. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
  30. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  31. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  32. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
  33. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
  34. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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