[DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
Don Thomas
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Sat Jul 30 11:26:01 EDT 2016
Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all around. That is
what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I had to replace the
glass... That worked perfect.
If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's
pushing to hard on the rubber. Like mentioned before, float the glass.
Enjoy,
-dt
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the window is
> out, and smooth out any nicks. I think that is where cracks start.
> Ken
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>
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> To: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin
> <rob at dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <nwpantera at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pantera Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
> I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and never
> cracked it.
> I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the roughness
> out
> before reinstalling it. As I pushed the final time to get it in it
> popped. I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I wasnA^1t pushing
> that
> hard.
> So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went in with
> no
> drama.
> ThatA^1s my story anyway.
> On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier"
> <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [2]red3644 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with glass and
> > plastic units.
> >
> > None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a
> misguided
> > ratchet or
> >
> > some other tool. I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 right
> > now. It's double
> >
> > walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so out of
> > shape that it would
> >
> > cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the glass
> > through the gasket.
> >
> > I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well as I
> > could. I doubt body flex
> >
> > caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in the
> > opening...unless you're
> >
> > using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off. They
> > should go in quite easily
> >
> > if sized correctly. I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late model
> window
> > some time ago FWIW.
> >
> >
> > Michael Frazier
> >
> >
> > From: [1]Rob Dumoulin
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM
> > To: [2]Matt Wells
> > Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
> >
> >
> > I did not think that the glass was adding structural integrity, but
> > instead
> > thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which may
> have
> > been
> > closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it the
> > glass
> > were a little off it might have been snug on install then cracked
> > during
> > driving.
> > I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able to be
> > there
> > when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy and
> will
> > redo
> > it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him.
> > You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and it
> was
> > not
> > installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is a
> > perfect
> > fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. If
> > anything,
> > I would think it would add support.
> > On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3]nwpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have
> tweaked
> > the
> > > car enough to cause
> > > the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural state?"
> > > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on jack
> > stands
> > > prior to glass entry"
> > >
> > > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the idea
> that
> > the
> > > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of the car,
> > and
> > > without it being in place the shape will change during jacking.
> > > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should
> eliminate
> > it
> > > from your trouble shooting thought process.
> > > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection in the
> > seating
> > > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible.
> > > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is there
> > extreme
> > > heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly
> de-burred
> > of
> > > all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the
> firewall
> > that
> > > might be preloading it?
> > > Just shots in the dark.
> > > Best of luck,
> > > Matt
> > > 3584
> > >
> > >
> >
> >References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[4]rob at dumoulins.net
> > 2. mailto:[5]nwpantera at gmail.com
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Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all
around.A That is what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I
had to replace the glass...A That worked perfect.A
If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's
pushing to hard on the rubber.A A Like mentioned before, float the
glass.
Enjoy,
-dt
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the
window is
A A out, and smooth out any nicks.A I think that is where cracks
start.
A A Ken
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A To: michael frazier <[3]red3644 at hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin
A A <[4]rob at dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <[5]nwpantera at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Pantera Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
A A I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and
never
A A cracked it.
A A I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the
roughness
A A out
A A before reinstalling it.A As I pushed the final time to get it
in it
A A popped.A I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I
wasnA^1t pushing
A A that
A A hard.
A A So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went
in with
A A no
A A drama.
A A ThatA^1s my story anyway.
A A On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier"
A A <[1][7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A [2][8]red3644 at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A >A I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with
glass and
A A >A plastic units.
A A >
A A >A None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a
A A misguided
A A >A ratchet or
A A >
A A >A some other tool.A I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643
right
A A >A now.A It's double
A A >
A A >A walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so
out of
A A >A shape that it would
A A >
A A >A cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the
glass
A A >A through the gasket.
A A >
A A >A I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well
as I
A A >A could.A I doubt body flex
A A >
A A >A caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in
the
A A >A opening...unless you're
A A >
A A >A using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off.A
They
A A >A should go in quite easily
A A >
A A >A if sized correctly.A I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late
model
A A window
A A >A some time ago FWIW.
A A >
A A >
A A >A Michael Frazier
A A >
A A >
A A >A From: [1]Rob Dumoulin
A A >A Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM
A A >A To: [2]Matt Wells
A A >A Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List
A A >A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again
A A >
A A >
A A >A I did not think that the glass was adding structural
integrity, but
A A >A instead
A A >A thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which
may
A A have
A A >A been
A A >A closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it
the
A A >A glass
A A >A were a little off it might have been snug on install then
cracked
A A >A during
A A >A driving.
A A >A I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able
to be
A A >A there
A A >A when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy
and
A A will
A A >A redo
A A >A it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him.
A A >A You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and
it
A A was
A A >A not
A A >A installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is
a
A A >A perfect
A A >A fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread.
If
A A >A anything,
A A >A I would think it would add support.
A A >A On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3][9]nwpantera at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A >A > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have
A A tweaked
A A >A the
A A >A > car enough to cause
A A >A >A A the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural
state?"
A A >A > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on
jack
A A >A stands
A A >A >A A prior to glass entry"
A A >A >
A A >A > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the
idea
A A that
A A >A the
A A >A > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of
the car,
A A >A and
A A >A > without it being in place the shape will change during
jacking.
A A >A > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should
A A eliminate
A A >A it
A A >A > from your trouble shooting thought process.
A A >A > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection
in the
A A >A seating
A A >A > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible.
A A >A > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is
there
A A >A extreme
A A >A > heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly
A A de-burred
A A >A of
A A >A > all sharp edges? Do you have a seat belt bar mounted to the
A A firewall
A A >A that
A A >A > might be preloading it?
A A >A > Just shots in the dark.
A A >A > Best of luck,
A A >A > Matt
A A >A > 3584
A A >A >
A A >A >
A A >
A A >References
A A >
A A >A 1. mailto:[4][10]rob at dumoulins.net
A A >A 2. mailto:[5][11]nwpantera at gmail.com
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