[DeTomaso] Cooling system

[marshall smith]

I've never had a radiator shop charge anything to test one.
You have some expensive radiator shops up there!

m
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On Wed, 7/27/16, Ken and Lela MacArthur <klckmac at msn.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
 To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
 Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 10:46 AM
 
    Getting 2nd
 opinion today. This shop thinks it looks ok, just age on
    it, will do a $30 test, but seems
 pretty optimistic it's not a total
    re-do like the other shop.
 Crossing my fingers.
 
    He was surprised the other shop
 just made a diagnosis without a test,
    which tells me which shop to
 avoid.
  
    __________________________________________________________________
 
    From: Himes,
 Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
    Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016
 7:15 AM
    To: MikeLDrew at aol.com;
 klckmac at msn.com;
    detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling
 system
 
    I agree with
 Mike.  I have my original radiator with new fans and it
 is
    still functioning
    perfectly.  <knock on
 wood>.  I'm no expert but it doesn't make
 sense
    to spend a ton
    of money.  I do have to pull
 some preventative maintenance on my 42
    year old radiator,
    but I'm not going to spend a
 lot to do it. That's my plan anyway.
 
    "A Purple Heart proves you
 were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 
     stupid enough to try it and lucky enough
 to survive!"
 
    Terry W. Himes
 
    JPL Jet
 Propulsion Laboratory
 
    Dawn Spacecraft Team
 
    Rosetta Sequence
 Team Lead
 
    Phone: (818) 393-6261
 
    Cell: 
    (818) 653-8213
 
    Fax:     (818)
 393-3147
 
    [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
 
    From: DeTomaso
 <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
 on behalf
    of Mike Drew via
 DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Reply-To: "[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com"
 <[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
    Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:33
 PM
    To: "[6]klckmac at msn.com"
 <[7]klckmac at msn.com>,
    "[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
    <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling
 system
    In a message dated
 7/26/16 8 41 31, [10]klckmac at msn.com
 writes:
 
    Looking for advice on the newer
 aluminum radiators and stainless tube
 
    sets offered out there. I just
 took my OLD Hall brass one in for
    repairs and
 
    they want $650 for a re-do. I
 could get a new one for that price, but
    would
 
    like to know who has upgraded to
 a turn key kit like PIM offers or
    other
 
    dealer and if you would recommend
 any particular setup.
 
    Ken,
    Lots of people are proposing a
 $1500 fix to a $200 problem.   For sure,
    that would work, but is it
 necessary?   No.
    The first thing you need to do is
 find another radiator shop.   The
    quote
    they gave you is
 absurd.   Likely they are proposing an entirely
 new
    core for
    your existing tanks, which
 amounts to buying a whole new radiator.   If
    your core is well and truly shot,
 then yes, you might as well just get
    a new
    radiator, but in that case I
 would just buy another one like you have
    now.
    By way of contrast to the
 megabucks suggestions, consider this:
    A few years ago, Wilkinson gave
 Lori an old Hall radiator for free.
    He
    had removed it from a
 customer's car when that guy 'upgraded' to a
    megabuck
    Fluidyne radiator and sucker fan
 setup.   Steve actually offered me the
    choice
    of several old radiators, and I
 took the best-looking one, knowing it
    needed work.
    I brought it to a radiator shop
 out in the country a half-hour from my
    house.   They
 pressure-tested it and found several leaks, from failures
    in the
    brazing around the drain petcock
 caused by overtightening, and from the
    junction of the core and one of
 the end tanks.
    They fixed all
 the leaks, pressure-tested it, painted it and gave it
    back
    to me, looking as good as new and
 guaranteed to work.
    For this,
 they charged me FORTY dollars.   Not $650, not
 anything
    close.
    That radiator, with Hall Meriah
 fans, keeps her car running at a
    rock-solid
    180 degrees in all conditions,
 including extended periods of idling in
    Las
    Vegas traffic with ambient temps
 nearing 100 degrees, and has been
    doing so
    now for years.
    Yes, you could spend a ton of
 money on an all-new setup.   But as long
    as
    your existing core is good (and
 why wouldn't it be?), you should be
    able to
    get minor leaks repaired easily
 for a fraction of the cost of buying a
    new
    Hall replacement radiator, never
 mind the megabuck setup.
    One
 tremendous advantage of a brass radiator (any brass
 radiator) is
    that
    it can normally be repaired
 easily if it suffers damage when you're on
    the
    road.   The aluminum
 radiators are glued together and normally not
    easily
    repaired--if they can be repaired
 at all.   So while Hall recently
    failed to
    warranty their product per
 Chuck's testimony, at least their product is
    infinitely repairable.
    A Mangusta owner from England who
 was driving to the south of France
    earlier this month wound up going
 home on a tow truck because his
    radiator sprung
    a leak and it dribbled much of
 his coolant overboard.   He failed to
    notice
    the water temp increase, but the
 subsequent oil temp increase and
    Expensive
    Noises from the engine got his
 attention!
    Had he been paying
 attention and thought about the problem a little
    bit, he
    could have easily had the car
 repaired and saved his vacation, since
    apparently the engine is actually
 unhurt and was simply rattling a bit
    due to the
    lifters not lifting as much due
 to the hot, thin oil.   As it is, since
    he's
    not mechanically savvy he took
 the safe option and had the car towed
    back
    to England.   But if
 he had an aluminum radiator, likely that would
    have been
    his only recourse.
    Just FWIW....
    Mike
 
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