[DeTomaso] Cooling system

[bill]

Just get a PPC  rad w/ suckered and be done with it.


CheersBill MooreCalgary
-------- Original message --------From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> Date: 2016-07-26  4:48 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system 
YES, but being just one of the many modifications John T made.

 

I was think something that would not be noticeable and use the existing tanks.

 

Attached description ;

The top being the original where the pump suction decreases with increased flow.

The center would have pump suction increasing with coolant temperature and

The bottom would have pump suction constant (requires adding a recovery tank)

 

Has anyone ever measured the dP/flow across their radiator?

 

JFB

 

From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 16:12 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system

 

Joe,

 

    I think that what John describes here?

 

http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf

 

  _____  

From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system


To me, 
having the pressure cap on the pump/block discharge side would be the "cause" for cavitation at the pump suction,  with the increase resistance of the radiator the contributor.  Replumbing the coolant to place the pressure cap on a true expansion tank on the pump suction seems to be desirable. Thus, keeping the pump suction at a constant, not decreasing pressure with increasing flow.  Turbulence in the pump inlet "elbow" would also contribute to cavitation and using a vane in that elbow be beneficial. 
JFB


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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 15:20 PM
To: L GRAY; hoppe1 at cox.net
Cc: detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system

...cause cavitation at high RPM in the water pump in a Pantera...
  

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   YES, but being just one of the many modifications John T made.


   I was think something that would not be noticeable and use the existing
   tanks.


   Attached description ;

   The top being the original where the pump suction decreases with
   increased flow.

   The center would have pump suction increasing with coolant temperature
   and

   The bottom would have pump suction constant (requires adding a recovery
   tank)


   Has anyone ever measured the dP/flow across their radiator?


   JFB


   From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
   Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 16:12 PM
   To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system


   Joe,


       I think that what John describes here?


   [1]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.
   pdf

   _______________________________________________________________________

   From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[2]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:00 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system

   To me,
   having the pressure cap on the pump/block discharge side would be the
   "cause" for cavitation at the pump suction,  with the increase
   resistance of the radiator the contributor.  Replumbing the coolant to
   place the pressure cap on a true expansion tank on the pump suction
   seems to be desirable. Thus, keeping the pump suction at a constant,
   not decreasing pressure with increasing flow.  Turbulence in the pump
   inlet "elbow" would also contribute to cavitation and using a vane in
   that elbow be beneficial.
   JFB

   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
   Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 15:20 PM
   To: L GRAY; [5]hoppe1 at cox.net
   Cc: detomaso
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
   ...cause cavitation at high RPM in the water pump in a Pantera...

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References

   1. http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf
   2. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
   3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   5. mailto:hoppe1 at cox.net
   6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   Just get a PPC  rad w/ suckered and be done with it.

   Cheers

   Bill Moore

   Calgary

   -------- Original message --------
   From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   Date: 2016-07-26 4:48 PM (GMT-07:00)
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system

   YES, but being just one of the many modifications John T made.
   I was think something that would not be noticeable and use the existing
   tanks.
   Attached description ;
   The top being the original where the pump suction decreases with
   increased flow.
   The center would have pump suction increasing with coolant temperature
   and
   The bottom would have pump suction constant (requires adding a recovery
   tank)
   Has anyone ever measured the dP/flow across their radiator?
   JFB
   From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
   Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 16:12 PM
   To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
   Joe,
       I think that what John describes here?
   http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf
     _____
   From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:00 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
   To me,
   having the pressure cap on the pump/block discharge side would be the
   "cause" for cavitation at the pump suction,  with the increase
   resistance of the radiator the contributor.  Replumbing the coolant to
   place the pressure cap on a true expansion tank on the pump suction
   seems to be desirable. Thus, keeping the pump suction at a constant,
   not decreasing pressure with increasing flow.  Turbulence in the pump
   inlet "elbow" would also contribute to cavitation and using a vane in
   that elbow be beneficial.
   JFB
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
   Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 15:20 PM
   To: L GRAY; hoppe1 at cox.net
   Cc: detomaso
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
   ...cause cavitation at high RPM in the water pump in a Pantera...

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      YES, but being just one of the many modifications John T made.
      I was think something that would not be noticeable and use the
   existing
      tanks.
      Attached description ;
      The top being the original where the pump suction decreases with
      increased flow.
      The center would have pump suction increasing with coolant
   temperature
      and
      The bottom would have pump suction constant (requires adding a
   recovery
      tank)
      Has anyone ever measured the dP/flow across their radiator?
      JFB
      From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 16:12 PM
      To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
      Joe,
          I think that what John describes here?

   [1]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.
      pdf

   _______________________________________________________________________
      From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[2]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
      To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:00 PM
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
      To me,
      having the pressure cap on the pump/block discharge side would be
   the
      "cause" for cavitation at the pump suction,  with the increase
      resistance of the radiator the contributor.  Replumbing the coolant
   to
      place the pressure cap on a true expansion tank on the pump suction
      seems to be desirable. Thus, keeping the pump suction at a constant,
      not decreasing pressure with increasing flow.  Turbulence in the
   pump
      inlet "elbow" would also contribute to cavitation and using a vane
   in
      that elbow be beneficial.
      JFB
      -----Original Message-----
      From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On
      Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
      Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 15:20 PM
      To: L GRAY; [5]hoppe1 at cox.net
      Cc: detomaso
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cooling system
      ...cause cavitation at high RPM in the water pump in a Pantera...
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      1.
   http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf
      2. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
      3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      5. mailto:hoppe1 at cox.net
      6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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