[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 145, Issue 29
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Sun Jul 24 12:43:54 EDT 2016
My take is board and president elected. If you do not want them vote them out next election. Club was spending to much money on printing and not doing anything to bring in new members and the conflict must stop get along until next election. I think next board meeting needs to be open for all members to listen to and hear the issues. Thank you
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> 1. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Will Kooiman)
> 2. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Michael Haney)
> 3. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Jeff Detrich)
> 4. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (James coyne)
> 5. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Douglas Kelm)
> 6. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (audionut at hushmail.com)
> 7. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Mark Peterson)
> 8. POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board of
> Directors (Mark Pinson)
> 9. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board
> of Directors (Mike Thomas)
> 10. Voted? (gonancy at juno.com)
> 11. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave)
> 12. Re: POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) (Dave)
> 13. Re: Voted? (Ken Green)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:26:38 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Charles Engles
> <cengles at cox.net>, 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>, 'Mike Reilly'
> <reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> Message-ID: <D3B91EA2.279AD%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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> It isn?t about controlling the club.
>
> It takes a lot of guts to step forward to be president (or any board
> position). It is often a thankless job, and you take a lot of crap for it
> - even when you are right.
>
> MS just wants to improve the club. I?m impressed with his energy and most
> of his ideas. I disagree with some, but that?s another matter.
>
> The problem is he pissed off a lot of people with his approach, and now
> it?s a back and forth verbal battle until someone has enough and leaves.
> Unfortunately, there are <many> against him, and they?ll never all shut up
> and leave. So, the ?fix" has to come from MS - somehow.
>
>
> On 7/23/16, 9:54 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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>> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a
>> car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
>> ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap
>> like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but
>> it makes no sense for a car club.
>> Ken
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>;
>> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> Dear Ken,
>> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus
>> operandi.
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>> Cc: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those
>> surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an
>> excuse to do things informed members would never approve?
>> Ken
>> From: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>> To: Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: "[5]detomaso at detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the
>> board.
>> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails
>> that he has a list of.
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
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>>> Check your junk file. Mine was there.
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>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>>
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>>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th
>>> reply.
>>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
>>> and
>>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
>>> and
>>> future publication mailings.
>>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
>>> address
>>> to see whom to send above to.
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[4]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Will Kooiman
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [10]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>> [11]bill at incendium.com
>>> Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
>> [13]detomaso at detomasolist.com;
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>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>> Verbatim from the survey:
>>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>>> want
>>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR
>>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
>>> let
>>> the
>>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
>> fully
>>> support us, or you suck.
>>> How about this?
>>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>>> unhappy
>>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the
>>> club
>>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>>> been
>>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
>> treating
>>> people
>>> with respect, they should leave.
>>> --
>>> Will
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:37:19 -0700
> From: "Michael Haney" <paso750 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Ken Green'" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "'Charles Engles'"
> <cengles at cox.net>, "'Ed Mendez'" <edducati at mac.com>, "'Mike Reilly'"
> <reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal
> was.
> I still haven't figured it out.
> Mike Haney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car
> club?? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous.? The
> hole just gets deeper and deeper.? You read about crap like this going on?to
> gain control of?multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a
> car club.
> Ken
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>;
> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> Dear Ken,
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> This is sounding really political and dishonest.? Is it one of those surveys
> carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do
> things informed members would never approve?
> Ken
>
> ? ? ? From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> ?
> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board.
>
> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that he
> has a list of.
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? Check your junk file.? Mine was there.
>>
>>
>> ? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>> ? From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>> ? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>> ? To: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>>
>> ? I have not received the survey.? I am hoping it would have a 4th
>> ? reply.
>> ? 4.? Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
>> ? and
>> ? postings from POCA.com.? You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
>> and
>> ? future publication mailings.
>> ? The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
>> ? address
>> ? to see whom to send above to.
>>
>> ? -----Original Message-----
>> ? From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> ? Behalf
>> ? Of Will Kooiman
>> ? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>> ? To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift at hotmail.com; bill at incendium.com
>> ? Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>> ? mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
>> ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> ? Verbatim from the survey:
>> ? 1.? We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>> want
>> ? you to fight for us and keep making the club better.? OR
>> ? 2.? We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
>> let
>> ? the
>> ? contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>> ? This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully
>> ? support us, or you suck.
>> ? How about this?
>> ? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>> ? unhappy
>> ? with the way it has been done.? Please continue trying to make the
>> club
>> ? better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>> been
>> ? damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating
>> ? people
>> ? with respect, they should leave.
>> ? --
>> ? Will
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> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:01:13 -0500
> From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Haney <paso750 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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> World domination?
>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <paso750 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal
>> was.
>> I still haven't figured it out.
>> Mike Haney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
>> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car
>> club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous. The
>> hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap like this going
>> on to
>> gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a
>> car club.
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>;
>> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> Dear Ken,
>>
>>
>> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those
>> surveys
>> carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to
>> do
>> things informed members would never approve?
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board.
>>
>> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that
>> he
>> has a list of.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your junk file. Mine was there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> To: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th
>>> reply.
>>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
>>> and
>>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
>>> and
>>> future publication mailings.
>>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
>>> address
>>> to see whom to send above to.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Will Kooiman
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift at hotmail.com; bill at incendium.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>>> mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>> Verbatim from the survey:
>>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>>> want
>>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR
>>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
>>> let
>>> the
>>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully
>>> support us, or you suck.
>>> How about this?
>>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>>> unhappy
>>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the
>>> club
>>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>>> been
>>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating
>>> people
>>> with respect, they should leave.
>>> --
>>> Will
>>> _______________________________________________
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> -------------- next part --------------
> World domination?
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <[1]paso750 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end
> goal
> was.
> I still haven't figured it out.
> Mike Haney
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
> Cc: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control
> a car
> club?A The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
> ridiculous.A The
> hole just gets deeper and deeper.A You read about crap like this
> going onA to
> gain control ofA multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense
> for a
> car club.
> Ken
> A A A From: Charles Engles <[4]cengles at cox.net>
> A To: 'Ken Green' <[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez'
> <[6]edducati at mac.com>;
> 'Mike Reilly' <[7]reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: [8]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> A Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> Dear Ken,
> A A A A A The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus
> operandi.
> A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
> Cc: [10]detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> This is sounding really political and dishonest.A Is it one of
> those surveys
> carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an
> excuse to do
> things informed members would never approve?
> Ken
> A A A From: Ed Mendez <[11]edducati at mac.com>
> A To: Mike Reilly <[12]reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: "[13]detomaso at detomasolist.com" <[14]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> A Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> A
> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the
> board.
> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails
> that he
> has a list of.
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[15]reillyms at live.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A Check your junk file.A Mine was there.
>>
>>
>> A Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>> A From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>> A Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>> A To: [3][16]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>>
>> A I have not received the survey.A I am hoping it would have a
> 4th
>> A reply.
>> A 4.A Please revoke my membership and remove all personal
> information
>> A and
>> A postings from POCA.com.A You may keep any pro-rated membership
> fees
>> and
>> A future publication mailings.
>> A The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the
> email
>> A address
>> A to see whom to send above to.
>>
>> A -----Original Message-----
>> A From: DeTomaso
> [[4]mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On
>> A Behalf
>> A Of Will Kooiman
>> A Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>> A To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [18]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> [19]bill at incendium.com
>> A Cc: [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [21]detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>
>> A [22]mbglobalsc at aol.com; [23]gpd4 at juno.com
>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> A Verbatim from the survey:
>> A 1.A We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>> want
>> A you to fight for us and keep making the club better.A OR
>> A 2.A We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the
> fight,
>> let
>> A the
>> A contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>> A This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
> fully
>> A support us, or you suck.
>> A How about this?
>> A 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>> A unhappy
>> A with the way it has been done.A Please continue trying to make the
>> club
>> A better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>> been
>> A damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
> treating
>> A people
>> A with respect, they should leave.
>> A --
>> A Will
>> A _______________________________________________
>> A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>> A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>> A DeTomaso mailing list
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>> A 2. mailto:[27]byrdjf at embarqmail.com
>> A 3. mailto:[28]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> A 4. mailto:[29]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> A 5. [30]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> _______________________________________________
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> 1. mailto:paso750 at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 3. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 4. mailto:cengles at cox.net
> 5. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 7. mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 8. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 10. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 11. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 12. mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 13. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 14. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 15. mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 16. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 19. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> 20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 21. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 22. mailto:mbglobalsc at aol.com
> 23. mailto:gpd4 at juno.com
> 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 26. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> 27. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
> 28. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 29. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 30. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 31. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 32. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 33. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 34. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 35. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 36. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 37. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 38. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:05:18 +0000
> From: James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com>
> To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "detomaso at detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Pinky and the brain .
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 1:01 PM, "Jeff Detrich" <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> World domination?
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <[1]paso750 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end
>> goal
>> was.
>> I still haven't figured it out.
>> Mike Haney
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
>> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
>> Cc: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control
>> a car
>> club?A The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
>> ridiculous.A The
>> hole just gets deeper and deeper.A You read about crap like this
>> going onA to
>> gain control ofA multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense
>> for a
>> car club.
>> Ken
>> A A A From: Charles Engles <[4]cengles at cox.net>
>> A To: 'Ken Green' <[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez'
>> <[6]edducati at mac.com>;
>> 'Mike Reilly' <[7]reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: [8]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> A Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> Dear Ken,
>> A A A A A The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus
>> operandi.
>> A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>> Cc: [10]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> This is sounding really political and dishonest.A Is it one of
>> those surveys
>> carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an
>> excuse to do
>> things informed members would never approve?
>> Ken
>> A A A From: Ed Mendez <[11]edducati at mac.com>
>> A To: Mike Reilly <[12]reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: "[13]detomaso at detomasolist.com" <[14]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> A Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> A
>> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the
>> board.
>> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails
>> that he
>> has a list of.
>>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[15]reillyms at live.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A Check your junk file.A Mine was there.
>>>
>>>
>>> A Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>> A From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>> A Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> A To: [3][16]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>>
>>>
>>> A I have not received the survey.A I am hoping it would have a
>> 4th
>>> A reply.
>>> A 4.A Please revoke my membership and remove all personal
>> information
>>> A and
>>> A postings from POCA.com.A You may keep any pro-rated membership
>> fees
>>> and
>>> A future publication mailings.
>>> A The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the
>> email
>>> A address
>>> A to see whom to send above to.
>>>
>>> A -----Original Message-----
>>> A From: DeTomaso
>> [[4]mailto:[17]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> A Behalf
>>> A Of Will Kooiman
>>> A Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>>> A To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [18]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>> [19]bill at incendium.com
>>> A Cc: [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
>> [21]detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>>
>>> A [22]mbglobalsc at aol.com; [23]gpd4 at juno.com
>>> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>> A Verbatim from the survey:
>>> A 1.A We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>>> want
>>> A you to fight for us and keep making the club better.A OR
>>> A 2.A We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the
>> fight,
>>> let
>>> A the
>>> A contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>>> A This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
>> fully
>>> A support us, or you suck.
>>> A How about this?
>>> A 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>>> A unhappy
>>> A with the way it has been done.A Please continue trying to make the
>>> club
>>> A better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>>> been
>>> A damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
>> treating
>>> A people
>>> A with respect, they should leave.
>>> A --
>>> A Will
>>> A _______________________________________________
>>> A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>>> A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>>> A DeTomaso mailing list
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>>> A 3. mailto:[28]detomaso at detomasolist.com
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>> 4. mailto:cengles at cox.net
>> 5. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 7. mailto:reillyms at live.com
>> 8. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 10. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 11. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 12. mailto:reillyms at live.com
>> 13. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 14. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 15. mailto:reillyms at live.com
>> 16. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 17. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> 19. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>> 20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 21. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 22. mailto:mbglobalsc at aol.com
>> 23. mailto:gpd4 at juno.com
>> 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 26. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>> 27. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
>> 28. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 29. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>> 30. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 31. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 32. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 33. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 34. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 35. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 36. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 37. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 38. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:08:22 -0500
> From: "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net>
> To: "'Jeff Detrich'" <jjdetrich at gmail.com>, "'Michael Haney'"
> <paso750 at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> Message-ID: <013d01d1e51d$f70901f0$e51b05d0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> If MS is "The Brain", who's his "Pinky"? NARF!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 3:01 PM
> To: Michael Haney
> Cc: Ken Green; detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> World domination?
>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <paso750 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end
>> goal was.
>> I still haven't figured it out.
>> Mike Haney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
>> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a
>> car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
>> ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about
>> crap like this going on to gain control of multi-million $
>> corporations, but it makes no sense for a car club.
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez'
>> <edducati at mac.com>; 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> Dear Ken,
>>
>>
>> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those
>> surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as
>> an excuse to do things informed members would never approve?
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board.
>>
>> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails
>> that he has a list of.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your junk file. Mine was there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> To: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th
>>> reply.
>>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
>>> and
>>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
>>> and
>>> future publication mailings.
>>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
>>> address
>>> to see whom to send above to.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Will Kooiman
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>>> bill at incendium.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>>> mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>> Verbatim from the survey:
>>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>>> want
>>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR
>>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
>>> let
>>> the
>>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
>>> fully
>>> support us, or you suck.
>>> How about this?
>>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>>> unhappy
>>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the
>>> club
>>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>>> been
>>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
>>> treating
>>> people
>>> with respect, they should leave.
>>> --
>>> Will
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>>> 2. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
>>> 3. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 4.
>>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:57:57 -0700
> From: audionut at hushmail.com
> To: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> Message-ID: <20160723205758.064824056F at smtp.hushmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> _"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
> character, give him power."_ --Abe Lincoln _"I did not receive the
> "survey" either."_ --Cousin Eddie
> Sent using Hushmail
> On July 23, 2016 at 1:09 PM, "Douglas Kelm" wrote:If MS is "The
> Brain", who's his "Pinky"? NARF!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 3:01 PM
> To: Michael Haney
> Cc: Ken Green; detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> World domination?
>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney wrote:
>>
>> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end
>
>> goal was.
>> I still haven't figured it out.
>> Mike Haney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
>> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control
> a
>> car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
>> ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about
>> crap like this going on to gain control of multi-million $
>> corporations, but it makes no sense for a car club.
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Charles Engles
>> To: 'Ken Green' ; 'Ed Mendez'
>> ; 'Mike Reilly'
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> Dear Ken,
>>
>>
>> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus
> operandi.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those
>
>> surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as
>
>> an excuse to do things informed members would never approve?
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Ed Mendez
>> To: Mike Reilly
>> Cc: "detomaso at detomasolist.com"
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the
> board.
>>
>> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails
>
>> that he has a list of.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your junk file. Mine was there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> To: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th
>>> reply.
>>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal
> information
>>> and
>>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership
> fees
>>> and
>>> future publication mailings.
>>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the
> email
>>> address
>>> to see whom to send above to.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Will Kooiman
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>>> bill at incendium.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>>> mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>> Verbatim from the survey:
>>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile
> and
>>> want
>>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR
>>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the
> fight,
>>> let
>>> the
>>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
>>> fully
>>> support us, or you suck.
>>> How about this?
>>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I
> am
>>> unhappy
>>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make
> the
>>> club
>>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that
> have
>>> been
>>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
>>> treating
>>> people
>>> with respect, they should leave.
>>> --
>>> Will
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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> forward
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
>>> 2. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
>>> 3. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 4.
>>> mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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> -------------- next part --------------
> "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
> character, give him power."
>
>
>
> --Abe Lincoln
>
>
>
> "I did not receive the "survey" either."
>
>
>
> --Cousin Eddie
> Sent using Hushmail
> On July 23, 2016 at 1:09 PM, "Douglas Kelm" <dakelm at qwest.net> wrote:
>
> If MS is "The Brain", who's his "Pinky"? NARF!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 3:01 PM
> To: Michael Haney
> Cc: Ken Green; detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> World domination?
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <paso750 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his
> end
>> goal was.
>> I still haven't figured it out.
>> Mike Haney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM
>> To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly'
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to
> control a
>> car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
>> ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about
>> crap like this going on to gain control of multi-million $
>> corporations, but it makes no sense for a car club.
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez'
>> <edducati at mac.com>; 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> Dear Ken,
>>
>>
>> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of
> those
>> surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants
> as
>> an excuse to do things informed members would never approve?
>> Ken
>>
>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: "detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the
> board.
>>
>> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using
> emails
>> that he has a list of.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your junk file. Mine was there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> To: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th
>>> reply.
>>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal
> information
>>> and
>>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership
> fees
>>> and
>>> future publication mailings.
>>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the
> email
>>> address
>>> to see whom to send above to.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
> [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Will Kooiman
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>>> bill at incendium.com
>>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>>> mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>> Verbatim from the survey:
>>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile
> and
>>> want
>>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR
>>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the
> fight,
>>> let
>>> the
>>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
>>> fully
>>> support us, or you suck.
>>> How about this?
>>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I
> am
>>> unhappy
>>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make
> the
>>> club
>>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that
> have
>>> been
>>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
>>> treating
>>> people
>>> with respect, they should leave.
>>> --
>>> Will
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:07:12 +0000
> From: "Mark Peterson" <petersonmr06 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>, "Ken Green"
> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>, "'Ed
> Mendez'" <edducati at mac.com>, "'Mike Reilly'" <reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at detomasolist.com" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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> Bravo. Someone with a pair contributes something constructive. I don't know MS or the issues involved. I am saddened to see icons of POCA, individuals who have assisted me throughout the years, become less involved. Nothing good ever comes form something negative and I don't think it's reflective of POCAs reputation. It was mentioned before, please keep grievances and snarky comments between the appropriate individuals. Mark 1789
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Sender: "DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:26:38
> To: Ken Green<kenn_green at yahoo.com>; Charles Engles<cengles at cox.net>; 'Ed Mendez'<edducati at mac.com>; 'Mike Reilly'<reillyms at live.com>
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com<detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> It isn?t about controlling the club.
>
> It takes a lot of guts to step forward to be president (or any board
> position). It is often a thankless job, and you take a lot of crap for it
> - even when you are right.
>
> MS just wants to improve the club. I?m impressed with his energy and most
> of his ideas. I disagree with some, but that?s another matter.
>
> The problem is he pissed off a lot of people with his approach, and now
> it?s a back and forth verbal battle until someone has enough and leaves.
> Unfortunately, there are <many> against him, and they?ll never all shut up
> and leave. So, the ?fix" has to come from MS - somehow.
>
>
> On 7/23/16, 9:54 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a
>> car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is
>> ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap
>> like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but
>> it makes no sense for a car club.
>> Ken
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati at mac.com>;
>> 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> Dear Ken,
>> The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus
>> operandi.
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM
>> To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly
>> Cc: [2]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those
>> surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an
>> excuse to do things informed members would never approve?
>> Ken
>> From: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>> To: Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms at live.com>
>> Cc: "[5]detomaso at detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the
>> board.
>> Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails
>> that he has a list of.
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your junk file. Mine was there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> To: [3][8]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th
>>> reply.
>>> 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information
>>> and
>>> postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees
>>> and
>>> future publication mailings.
>>> The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email
>>> address
>>> to see whom to send above to.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
>> [[4]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Will Kooiman
>>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM
>>> To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [10]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>> [11]bill at incendium.com
>>> Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
>> [13]detomaso at detomasolist.com;
>>> [14]mbglobalsc at aol.com; [15]gpd4 at juno.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>> Verbatim from the survey:
>>> 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and
>>> want
>>> you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR
>>> 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight,
>>> let
>>> the
>>> contentious people win and return the club to the way it was.
>>> This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you
>> fully
>>> support us, or you suck.
>>> How about this?
>>> 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am
>>> unhappy
>>> with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the
>>> club
>>> better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have
>>> been
>>> damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
>> treating
>>> people
>>> with respect, they should leave.
>>> --
>>> Will
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>> 10. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> 11. mailto:bill at incendium.com
>> 12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 13. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> 14. mailto:mbglobalsc at aol.com
>> 15. mailto:gpd4 at juno.com
>> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 18. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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>> 20. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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>> 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:09:13 -0400
> From: Mark Pinson <mark.pinson at verizon.net>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the
> Board of Directors
> Message-ID: <15619972c9d-4d19-6caf at webprd-m40.mail.aol.com>
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>
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Following the POCA By Laws, this should be a fairly straightforward matter.
>
> At issue is that some members of the club are opposed to either: 1. the manner in which Michael Shortt is or has executed his position as President of the club; 2, the manner in which Mr. Shortt is or has conducted himself personally and/or as a representative of the club, in accordance with ARTICLE VII DISCIPLINE; Section 1. Behavior; or 3. both.
>
> If this is the case, the Board of Directors needs to hold a vote of the membership:
> Confidence or No Confidence in Michael Shortt as President of POCA.
>
> If the majority vote is Confidence in Mr. Shortt as President, then everybody should just accept that as the opinion of the majority and go on. If the majority vote is No Confidence, then the BOD should do their duty under ARTICLE IV; Section 7. Removal of Officers and ARTICLE VII; Section 3. Forms of Discipline.
> If the Board of Directors refuses or fails to do their duties under the POCA By Laws, then they should be removed from those BOD positions - simple as that. All this Survey Monkey crap and the like is just BS!
>
> So, to the POCA Board of Directors: Step up, grow a set, and do the job(s) you were elected to do!
>
> This is not what I paid my member dues for - it reflects poorly on the entire club as a representative body of Pantera owners. This immature, grade school, playground crap has been allowed to go on far too long. We are adults, presumably, and need to by God start acting like it.
>
> And for those who may be wondering - not everybody has to run for an office (private or public) to expect that those who do, perform in the jobs they choose to take on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Folks,
> Following the POCA By Laws, this should be a fairly straightforward
> matter.
> At issue is that some members of the club are opposed to either: 1.
> the manner in which Michael Shortt is or has executed his position as
> President of the club; 2, the manner in which Mr. Shortt is or has
> conducted himself personally and/or as a representative of the club, in
> accordance with ARTICLE VII DISCIPLINE; Section 1. Behavior; or 3.
> both.
> If this is the case, the Board of Directors needs to hold a vote of the
> membership:
> Confidence or No Confidence in Michael Shortt as President of POCA.
> If the majority vote is Confidence in Mr. Shortt as President, then
> everybody should just accept that as the opinion of the majority and go
> on. If the majority vote is No Confidence, then the BOD should do
> their duty under ARTICLE IV; Section 7. Removal of Officers and ARTICLE
> VII; Section 3. Forms of Discipline.
> If the Board of Directors refuses or fails to do their duties under the
> POCA By Laws, then they should be removed from those BOD positions -
> simple as that. All this Survey Monkey crap and the like is just BS!
> So, to the POCA Board of Directors: Step up, grow a set, and do the
> job(s) you were elected to do!
> This is not what I paid my member dues for - it reflects poorly on the
> entire club as a representative body of Pantera owners. This immature,
> grade school, playground crap has been allowed to go on far too long.
> We are adults, presumably, and need to by God start acting like it.
> And for those who may be wondering - not everybody has to run for an
> office (private or public) to expect that those who do, perform in the
> jobs they choose to take on.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:10:42 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> To: "'Mark Pinson'" <mark.pinson at verizon.net>,
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to
> the Board of Directors
> Message-ID: <00f201d1e53f$d18d6520$74a82f60$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Thank you Mark. This would presume that the BOD would do so without the undue influence of the one member about whom this action needs to be taken.
> Mike Thomas
> Pres., Panteras Northwest
> Yellow ?74 #6328
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) - Call to the Board of Directors
>
>
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Following the POCA By Laws, this should be a fairly straightforward matter.
>
> At issue is that some members of the club are opposed to either: 1. the manner in which Michael Shortt is or has executed his position as President of the club; 2, the manner in which Mr. Shortt is or has conducted himself personally and/or as a representative of the club, in accordance with ARTICLE VII DISCIPLINE; Section 1. Behavior; or 3. both.
>
> If this is the case, the Board of Directors needs to hold a vote of the membership:
> Confidence or No Confidence in Michael Shortt as President of POCA.
>
> If the majority vote is Confidence in Mr. Shortt as President, then everybody should just accept that as the opinion of the majority and go on. If the majority vote is No Confidence, then the BOD should do their duty under ARTICLE IV; Section 7. Removal of Officers and ARTICLE VII; Section 3. Forms of Discipline.
> If the Board of Directors refuses or fails to do their duties under the POCA By Laws, then they should be removed from those BOD positions - simple as that. All this Survey Monkey crap and the like is just BS!
>
> So, to the POCA Board of Directors: Step up, grow a set, and do the job(s) you were elected to do!
>
> This is not what I paid my member dues for - it reflects poorly on the entire club as a representative body of Pantera owners. This immature, grade school, playground crap has been allowed to go on far too long. We are adults, presumably, and need to by God start acting like it.
>
> And for those who may be wondering - not everybody has to run for an office (private or public) to expect that those who do, perform in the jobs they choose to take on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 03:15:45 GMT
> From: "gonancy at juno.com" <gonancy at juno.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Voted?
> Message-ID: <20160723.201545.18103.0 at webmail09.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> What I want to know is who the heck voted for Shortt anyway and WHY?
>
> Impeach!!
>
> I want the madness to end already!
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:40:26 -0400
> From: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>,
> "julian_kift at hotmail.com" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
> "bill at incendium.com" <bill at incendium.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, "detomaso at detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at detomasolist.com>, "mbglobalsc at aol.com"
> <mbglobalsc at aol.com>, "gpd4 at juno.com" <gpd4 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Call MS, he produces films. Just ask him.
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 5:51 PM
> To: Pantdino; julian_kift at hotmail.com; bill at incendium.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus.
> Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup".
> Ken
>
> From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; bill at incendium.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga at gmail.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> This is all beyond bizarre
>
>
>
> Jim Oddie
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: bill <bill at incendium.com>
> Cc: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>; Mike Burnett
> <mbglobalsc at aol.com>; Gpd4 <gpd4 at juno.com>; De Tomaso List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso
> <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email!
> Julian
>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1]bill at incendium.com"
>> <[2]bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey??????
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Calgary
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Scott Mead Photography <[3]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: 'Gpd4' <[4]gpd4 at juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman'
> <[5]scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>,
>> [7]detomaso at detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8]mbglobalsc at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on
>> the
>> original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I
>> understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original
> email.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>> Behalf
>> Of Gpd4
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM
>> To: Scott Couchman
>> Cc: Michael Shortt; [10]detomaso at detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> How will this survey be received?
>> GPD4
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
>>> <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I support the POCA Board of Directors.
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt
>> <[1][12]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My Fellow POCA Members,
>>>
>>> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties
>> within
>>> your club which has resulted in the
>>> suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
>>>
>>> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks
>>> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
>>>
>>> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged
>> by a
>>> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
>>>
>>> below, but first a little history so that you know where my
>> motivation
>>> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be
>>> brief.
>>>
>>> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800
>> member
>>> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each
>>> year
>>>
>>> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over
>> 150
>>> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
>>>
>>> and member recruitment has ever been a priority.
>>> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not
>> required,
>>> it just means that you
>>>
>>> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older
>>> community church).
>>>
>>> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over
>>> 60
>>> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
>>>
>>> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than
>> it
>>> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
>>>
>>> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could
>>> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items
>> and
>>> was told that I would never
>>>
>>> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in
>> 5
>>> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%)
>> Rob
>>> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently
>> Gil
>>> Mares have
>>>
>>> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical
>> BS
>>> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was
>>> disabled to
>>>
>>> make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and
>>> designed after asking for help form these same people and none
>>> volunteered ), they went out
>>>
>>> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most
>> vile
>>> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be
>>> apart of and it's primary
>>>
>>> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension
>> within
>>> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the
>> club
>>> while I have been President
>>>
>>> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No
>>> worries,
>>>
>>> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used
>> to
>>> professional haters,
>>>
>>> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished.
>>> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of
>>> begging showed 808
>>>
>>> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
>> that
>>> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
>>>
>>> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead
>> and
>>> those not paying dues.
>>>
>>> As of yesterday, that number is now
>>> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have
>>> added over 100 NEW members.
>>>
>>> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke
>> as
>>> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was
>>> finally able to get the BOD
>>>
>>> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10
>>> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL
>>> COLOR printing would cost.
>>>
>>> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
>> the
>>> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
>>>
>>> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of
>>> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an
>>> expanded store (revenue producing )was not
>>>
>>> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as
>>> required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
>>>
>>> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone
>> was
>>> 17% more than all of our dues.
>>>
>>> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on
>>> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained
>>> $1,600,
>>>
>>> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there
>>> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and
>>> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
>>>
>>> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most
>>> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride
>>> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
>>>
>>> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride,
>>> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely
>> to
>>> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
>>>
>>> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still
>> can
>>> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
>> truly
>>> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
>>>
>>> contributing nothing positive to the club.
>>>
>>> WHY The website is down
>>>
>>> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune
>> to
>>> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to
>>> create a better POCA Membership Experience,
>>>
>>> value added if you will,
>>> for each of you.
>>>
>>> S
>>> so they changed focus and begin
>>> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine
>> gentlemen
>>> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I
>> certainly
>>> could not have
>>>
>>> done anything with their support.
>>>
>>> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the
>> same
>>> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally
>> committee
>>> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
>>>
>>> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in
>>> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a
>>> degree, the following has occurred.
>>>
>>> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a
>> desire to
>>> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the
>> rules,
>>> bylaws, etc.
>>>
>>> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have
>>> started acoup to take over the club.
>>>
>>> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect
>>> the content of the website learned of this,
>>> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
>>>
>>> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and
>> changing
>>> it
>>> ,
>>> erasing everything that I have built.
>>>
>>> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside
>>> ourselves at this turn of events.
>>>
>>> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when
>> taking
>>> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it)
>> is
>>> to disable the communications.
>>>
>>> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one
>>> question.
>>>
>>> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve,
>>> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the
>> 80's
>>> and into the 21st century?
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up
>> and
>>> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
>> this
>>> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
>>>
>>> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
>>>
>>> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so
>> do
>>> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
>>>
>>> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small
>> 30
>>> member Chapter
>>> leave
>>> POCA last month
>>> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to
>> return
>>> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid
>>> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
>>>
>>> New POCA store items,and other expenses)
>>>
>>> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened
>> and I
>>> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
>> the
>>> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>>
>>> STILL President
>>>
>>> POCA
>>> --
>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>> [4][13]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> 912-232-9390
>>>
>>> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy
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>>> notified
>>> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this
>>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
>> that
>>> you
>>> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [14]mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
>>> 2. [15]http://poca.com/
>>> 3. [16]http://poca.com/
>>> 4. [17]mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
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> 1. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> 2. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> 3. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
> 4. mailto:gpd4 at juno.com
> 5. mailto:scottcouchman at yahoo.com
> 6. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> 7. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 8. mailto:mbglobalsc at aol.com
> 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 10. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 12. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> 13. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
> 14. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com?
> 15. http://poca.com/
> 16. http://poca.com/
> 17. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com?
> 18. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 26. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:40:26 -0400
> From: Dave <dave at damardirect.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>,
> "julian_kift at hotmail.com" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
> "bill at incendium.com" <bill at incendium.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, "detomaso at detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at detomasolist.com>, "mbglobalsc at aol.com"
> <mbglobalsc at aol.com>, "gpd4 at juno.com" <gpd4 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Call MS, he produces films. Just ask him.
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 5:51 PM
> To: Pantdino; julian_kift at hotmail.com; bill at incendium.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus.
> Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup".
> Ken
>
> From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; bill at incendium.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga at gmail.com; detomaso at detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc at aol.com; gpd4 at juno.com
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>
> This is all beyond bizarre
>
>
>
> Jim Oddie
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: bill <bill at incendium.com>
> Cc: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>; Mike Burnett
> <mbglobalsc at aol.com>; Gpd4 <gpd4 at juno.com>; De Tomaso List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso
> <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
> You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email!
> Julian
>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1]bill at incendium.com"
> <[2]bill at incendium.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey??????
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Calgary
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Scott Mead Photography <[3]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: 'Gpd4' <[4]gpd4 at juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman'
> <[5]scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com>,
>> [7]detomaso at detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8]mbglobalsc at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>>
>> It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on
>> the
>> original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I
>> understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original
> email.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
>> Behalf
>> Of Gpd4
>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM
>> To: Scott Couchman
>> Cc: Michael Shortt; [10]detomaso at detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
>> How will this survey be received?
>> GPD4
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
>>> <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I support the POCA Board of Directors.
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt
>> <[1][12]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My Fellow POCA Members,
>>>
>>> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties
>> within
>>> your club which has resulted in the
>>> suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
>>>
>>> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks
>>> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
>>>
>>> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged
>> by a
>>> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
>>>
>>> below, but first a little history so that you know where my
>> motivation
>>> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be
>>> brief.
>>>
>>> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800
>> member
>>> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each
>>> year
>>>
>>> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over
>> 150
>>> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
>>>
>>> and member recruitment has ever been a priority.
>>> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not
>> required,
>>> it just means that you
>>>
>>> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older
>>> community church).
>>>
>>> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over
>>> 60
>>> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
>>>
>>> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than
>> it
>>> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
>>>
>>> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could
>>> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items
>> and
>>> was told that I would never
>>>
>>> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in
>> 5
>>> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%)
>> Rob
>>> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently
>> Gil
>>> Mares have
>>>
>>> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical
>> BS
>>> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was
>>> disabled to
>>>
>>> make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and
>>> designed after asking for help form these same people and none
>>> volunteered ), they went out
>>>
>>> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most
>> vile
>>> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be
>>> apart of and it's primary
>>>
>>> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension
>> within
>>> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the
>> club
>>> while I have been President
>>>
>>> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No
>>> worries,
>>>
>>> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used
>> to
>>> professional haters,
>>>
>>> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished.
>>> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of
>>> begging showed 808
>>>
>>> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
>> that
>>> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
>>>
>>> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead
>> and
>>> those not paying dues.
>>>
>>> As of yesterday, that number is now
>>> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have
>>> added over 100 NEW members.
>>>
>>> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke
>> as
>>> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was
>>> finally able to get the BOD
>>>
>>> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10
>>> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL
>>> COLOR printing would cost.
>>>
>>> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
>> the
>>> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
>>>
>>> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of
>>> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an
>>> expanded store (revenue producing )was not
>>>
>>> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as
>>> required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
>>>
>>> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone
>> was
>>> 17% more than all of our dues.
>>>
>>> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on
>>> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained
>>> $1,600,
>>>
>>> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there
>>> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and
>>> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
>>>
>>> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most
>>> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride
>>> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
>>>
>>> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride,
>>> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely
>> to
>>> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
>>>
>>> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still
>> can
>>> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
>> truly
>>> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
>>>
>>> contributing nothing positive to the club.
>>>
>>> WHY The website is down
>>>
>>> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune
>> to
>>> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to
>>> create a better POCA Membership Experience,
>>>
>>> value added if you will,
>>> for each of you.
>>>
>>> S
>>> so they changed focus and begin
>>> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine
>> gentlemen
>>> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I
>> certainly
>>> could not have
>>>
>>> done anything with their support.
>>>
>>> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the
>> same
>>> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally
>> committee
>>> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
>>>
>>> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in
>>> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a
>>> degree, the following has occurred.
>>>
>>> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a
>> desire to
>>> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the
>> rules,
>>> bylaws, etc.
>>>
>>> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have
>>> started acoup to take over the club.
>>>
>>> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect
>>> the content of the website learned of this,
>>> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
>>>
>>> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and
>> changing
>>> it
>>> ,
>>> erasing everything that I have built.
>>>
>>> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside
>>> ourselves at this turn of events.
>>>
>>> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when
>> taking
>>> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it)
>> is
>>> to disable the communications.
>>>
>>> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one
>>> question.
>>>
>>> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve,
>>> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the
>> 80's
>>> and into the 21st century?
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up
>> and
>>> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
>> this
>>> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
>>>
>>> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
>>>
>>> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so
>> do
>>> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
>>>
>>> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small
>> 30
>>> member Chapter
>>> leave
>>> POCA last month
>>> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to
>> return
>>> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid
>>> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
>>>
>>> New POCA store items,and other expenses)
>>>
>>> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened
>> and I
>>> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
>> the
>>> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Michael Shortt
>>>
>>> STILL President
>>>
>>> POCA
>>> --
>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>> [4][13]michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> 912-232-9390
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>>> 2. [15]http://poca.com/
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> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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> I heard that Shortt got an email list and sent out emails to most or all?POCA members.? It would be interesting to see what he said.
> Ken
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> From: "gonancy at juno.com" <gonancy at juno.com>
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> What I want to know is who the heck voted for Shortt anyway and WHY?
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> Impeach!!
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> I want the madness to end already!
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