[DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA

[Stephen]

Good day to you Michael.  I can readily remember when I first got 5332 - 3 years ago.  I found there was no single-source that could provide all the tech help I needed.  I also found that the information that was out there was well spread out and not trivial to find.  With time I found the POCA e-mail forum - the predecessor to this forum.  The folks on that forum were extremely helpful in guiding me to the information I needed as I did my resto-mod of our car.  

Many of these good folks are on this forum.  I would list them, but would surely miss one of them, so will simply say they are good folks and thank you.

If I had to say what was the most important information source in my efforts to learn - it would have to be this forums predecessor.  Second would be Dennis at Pantera Performance.  Problem is Dennis is not available 24/7.  This forum is.  I also have to say that the Provamo site is super handy when you want to find a picture of something.  

The thing that is perhaps the most frustrating about a forum like this is that some folks just don't get the fact that we are not all out for the same thing.  A good example is tracking your car.  If you want to track your car - you need to do certain things (or so I have been told).  Like having really wide tires.  Go for the 245's on the front - though you may lose some turning radius and be doing more 3-point turns, and your car will tramline - but hey, it will corner hard at speed - a big plus on the track.  Or definitely use paint remover (DOT4 preferred) in your hydraulic circuits.   

Both of these suggestions can generate hours of amusing reading on any forum.  Because there are trade-offs.  Funny, on the brake fluid thing, given I don't plan to track our car, ever, I wanted to use DOT5 (silicone).  Racers are loathe to accept this.  For me, a no brainer - been 35 since I switched my XKE over - and I haven't had to rebuild the system yet.  On a Jag. 

I used the word funny earlier - because one person who agreed, for my purposes, that DOT5 is ok was Dennis at Pantera Performance.

Speaks volumes about Dennis - Yup - he races - has a long history - but he can accept that not everyone wants the same thing he does.  He can put himself in the other persons shoes.  He listens.  Even when he doesn't have time.

Regarding the whole board problem.  The Short has some great ideas and is a hard worker.  But, simply put, I have not found the Short to be amenable to others ideas.  It's his way or the highway.  

I wish him happiness in his journey and am damn glad he does not control this forum, given his killing its predecessor.

Stephen Nelson


-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles McCall
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:59 PM
To: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA

POCA has been around for a long time and has been a great organization that has added value to the Ownership experience.

For years, they have published a monthly newsletter with helpful technical information. They have published a quarterly magazine, admittedly often less than quarterly, but always good reading. I keep a stack of back issues next to my bed, and like to read a few articles from the past before turning out the light. They organize a national convention which is the largest collection of DeTomasos in the world. A number of local chapters of the national club organize regular events close to home, many on a monthly basis. So it's done a lot of really good things.

Living outside the US, like you, some of these benefits are lost, but the publications still made it worth it for me. It's really a shame what is happening now, as only the owners will ultimately suffer by losing an organization that served to enhance the ownership experience. I can only hope that like the Phoenix it will rise from what appears to be a somewhat ashen appearance and be a positive forcé again.

Meanwhile, this free e-mail fórum continues to survive and thrive despite turmoil and efforts to kill it, and is a vital part of DeTomaso ownership for me.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Michael Barnes < michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> As a relatively new Pantera owner I am still eagerly soaking up all 
> and any information I can get from whatever source I can.
> POCA sounds like a fun place to hang out, I think I'll give it a miss 
> for a while😜
> Michael B ( Southern Counties England)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 22 Jul 2016, at 06:20, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ditto. This is truly amazing....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Julian Kift
> > Sent: viernes, 22 de julio de 2016 5:31
> > To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
> >
> > I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club 
> > website
> is
> > completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.
> >
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf 
> > of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
> >
> > Message on home page
> >
> > "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline 
> > while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved.
> > All content and data on the website (including your personal
> information) is
> > secure and protected."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
> >
> > It is not just You.
> > I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been 
> > blocked since my membership expires next week
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Mark Pinson
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
> >
> > Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" 
> > -
> is it
> > just me?
> >
> > Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member.
> >
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