[DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Fri Jul 22 10:06:42 EDT 2016
I, too, support the changes being made. What I am having trouble abiding by
is the communications from Mr. Shortt. The above email is a perfect
example. Alas, I am no longer a member so it's no longer my battle. Such
potential wasted needlessly.
Jeff
6559
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I support the efforts of Michael Shortt and voice my displeasure to
> those that want to keep the status quo, and not give a chance to those
> who want to try to improve a very stagnant organization, that is held
> back by folks that put personalities ahead of the future welfare of the
> club.
>
> On Jul 22, 2016 9:38 AM, "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso"
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> A A I support the POCA Board of Directors.
> A A On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt
> <[1][2]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A My Fellow POCA Members,
> A A It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties
> within
> A A your club which has resulted in the
> A A suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
> A A Most of you know that I have personally been the target of
> attacks
> A A since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan
> 1st.
> A A It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign
> staged by a
> A A small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
> A A below, but first a little history so that you know where my
> motivation
> A A comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will
> be
> A A brief.
> A A This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800
> member
> A A range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members
> each year
> A A and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing
> over 150
> A A members.A Growth has never been possible because member
> retention
> A A and member recruitment has ever been a priority.
> A A If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not
> required,
> A A it just means that you
> A A basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older
> A A community church).
> A A That is what POCA had, and a membership with over
> A A 60
> A A % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
> A A Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money
> than it
> A A take in.A It also was dated with no updates in well over a
> decade.
> A A I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I
> could
> A A make a difference.A I immediately set about an agenda with 27
> items and
> A A was told that I would never
> A A get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it
> in 5
> A A months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
> A A Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% -
> 23%) Rob
> A A D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most
> recently Gil
> A A Mares have
> A A beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies,
> technical BS
> A A and simply mean and hateful emails.A When the poca email forum
> was
> A A disabled to
> A A make room for the new and improved [3][3]poca.com ( which I
> built and
> A A designed after asking for help form these same people and none
> A A volunteered ), they went out
> A A with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the
> most vile
> A A and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to
> not be
> A A apart of and it's primary
> A A purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension
> within
> A A POCA.A None of those named so far have contributed anything to
> the club
> A A while I have been President
> A A except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target,
> No
> A A worries,
> A A as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm
> used to
> A A professional haters,
> A A a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has
> flourished.
> A A The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3
> months of
> A A begging showed 808
> A A POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or
> expired that
> A A number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
> A A This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the
> dead and
> A A those not paying dues.
> A A As of yesterday, that number is now
> A A 867 active paid members.A Many of the deadbeats paid up and we
> have
> A A added over 100 NEW members.
> A A A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack
> DeRyke as
> A A Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I
> was
> A A finally able to get the BOD
> A A to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by
> 10
> A A years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than
> FULL
> A A COLOR printing would cost.
> A A It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm,
> but the
> A A result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
> A A Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years
> of
> A A service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of
> an
> A A expanded store (revenue producing )was not
> A A what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as
> A A required.A I understand and it was a nice parting.
> A A Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing
> alone was
> A A 17% more than all of our dues.
> A A The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent
> $20,205 on
> A A booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club
> retained
> A A $1,600,
> A A I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but
> there
> A A have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new
> and
> A A different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
> A A That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack.A
> Most
> A A recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern
> Pride
> A A Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
> A A ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a
> Pride,
> A A usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are
> unlikely to
> A A gather in groups).A Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
> A A here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we
> still can
> A A have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
> truly
> A A none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
> A A contributing nothing positive to the club.
> A A WHY The website is down
> A A over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was
> immune to
> A A their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done
> to
> A A create a better POCA Membership Experience,
> A A value added if you will,
> A A for each of you.
> A A S
> A A so they changed focus and begin
> A A attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine
> gentlemen
> A A and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made.A I
> certainly
> A A could not have
> A A done anything with their support.
> A A Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically (
> the same
> A A man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally
> committee
> A A to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
> A A quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements
> in
> A A March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such
> a
> A A degree, the following has occurred.
> A A Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a
> desire to
> A A change the direction of the club.A Last night against all the
> rules,
> A A bylaws, etc.
> A A they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially
> have
> A A started acoup to take over the club.
> A A The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect
> A A the content of the website learned of this,
> A A thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
> A A and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and
> changing
> A A it
> A A ,
> A A erasing everything that I have built.
> A A As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are
> beside
> A A ourselves at this turn of events.
> A A The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when
> taking
> A A over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't
> it) is
> A A to disable the communications.
> A A You are going to be sent a survey this morning,A it has biu
> one
> A A question.
> A A Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve,
> A A to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of
> the 80's
> A A and into the 21st century?
> A A or
> A A Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give
> up and
> A A let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
> this
> A A very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
> A A the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
> A A You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to
> bullies, so do
> A A not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
> A A * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his
> small 30
> A A member Chapter
> A A leave
> A A POCA last month
> A A and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow
> him.
> A A If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to
> return
> A A to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid
> A A reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
> A A New POCA store items,and other expenses)
> A A I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has
> happened and I
> A A hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure
> at the
> A A actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
> A A Thank you,
> A A Michael Shortt
> A A STILL President
> A A POCA
> A A --
> A A Michael L. Shortt
> A A Savannah, Georgia
> A A [4][4]michael at michaelshortt.com
> A A [5]912-232-9390
> A A This email is protected by the Electronic Communications
> Privacy
> A A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be
> legally
> A A privileged.A If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> hereby
> A A notified
> A A that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
> this
> A A communication is strictly prohibited.A Please reply to the
> sender that
> A A you
> A A have received this message in error, then delete it.A Thank
> you
> References
> A A 1. mailto:[6]michaelsavga at gmail.com
> A A 2. [7]http://poca.com/
> A A 3. [8]http://poca.com/
> A A 4. mailto:[9]michael at michaelshortt.com
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I, too, support the changes being made. What I am having trouble
abiding by is the communications from Mr. Shortt. The above email is a
perfect example. Alas, I am no longer a member so it's no longer my
battle. Such potential wasted needlessly.A
Jeff
6559
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Dick Koch <[1]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A I support the efforts of Michael Shortt and voice my
displeasure to
A A those that want to keep the status quo, and not give a chance
to those
A A who want to try to improve a very stagnant organization, that
is held
A A back by folks that put personalities ahead of the future
welfare of the
A A club.
A A On Jul 22, 2016 9:38 AM, "Scott Couchman via DeTomaso"
A A <[1][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A AA A I support the POCA Board of Directors.
A A A AA A On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt
A A A <[1][2][3]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
A A A AA A wrote:
A A A AA A My Fellow POCA Members,
A A A AA A It is with deep regret that I must inform you of
improprieties
A A A within
A A A AA A your club which has resulted in the
A A A AA A suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
A A A AA A Most of you know that I have personally been the
target of
A A A attacks
A A A AA A since before assuming office as the President of POCA
last Jan
A A A 1st.
A A A AA A It has been an incessant, organized and relentless
campaign
A A A staged by a
A A A AA A small handful of members resistant to change. I will
name them
A A A AA A below, but first a little history so that you know
where my
A A A motivation
A A A AA A comes from and why I thought I could make a
difference, I will
A A A be
A A A AA A brief.
A A A AA A This club over the past two decades has hovered in the
700-800
A A A member
A A A AA A range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new
members
A A A each year
A A A AA A and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15,
losing
A A A over 150
A A A AA A members.AA Growth has never been possible because
member
A A A retention
A A A AA A and member recruitment has ever been a priority.
A A A AA AA If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood
is not
A A A required,
A A A AA A it just means that you
A A A AA A basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like
any older
A A A AA A community church).
A A A AA A That is what POCA had, and a membership with over
A A A AA A 60
A A A AA A % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
A A A AA A Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more
money
A A A than it
A A A AA A take in.AA It also was dated with no updates in well
over a
A A A decade.
A A A AA A I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill
sets I
A A A could
A A A AA A make a difference.AA I immediately set about an
agenda with 27
A A A items and
A A A AA A was told that I would never
A A A AA A get half of that done in my full two year term, I did
all of it
A A A in 5
A A A AA A months with the then current support of a progressive
BOD.
A A A AA A Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President (
77% -
A A A 23%) Rob
A A A AA A D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others,
most
A A A recently Gil
A A A AA A Mares have
A A A AA A beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations,
lies,
A A A technical BS
A A A AA A and simply mean and hateful emails.AA When the poca
email forum
A A A was
A A A AA A disabled to
A A A AA A make room for the new and improved [3][3][4]poca.com (
which I
A A A built and
A A A AA A designed after asking for help form these same people
and none
A A A AA A volunteered ), they went out
A A A AA A with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which
is the
A A A most vile
A A A AA A and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever
hope to
A A A not be
A A A AA A apart of and it's primary
A A A AA A purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create
dissension
A A A within
A A A AA A POCA.AA None of those named so far have contributed
anything to
A A A the club
A A A AA A while I have been President
A A A AA A except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary
target,
A A A No
A A A AA A worries,
A A A AA A as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics,
so i'm
A A A used to
A A A AA A professional haters,
A A A AA A a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club
has
A A A flourished.
A A A AA A The first list that was supplied to me of members
after 3
A A A months of
A A A AA A begging showed 808
A A A AA A POCA members, after culling out those who were
deceased or
A A A expired that
A A A AA A number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active
members.
A A A AA A This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications
to the
A A A dead and
A A A AA A those not paying dues.
A A A AA AA As of yesterday, that number is now
A A A AA A 867 active paid members.AA Many of the deadbeats paid
up and we
A A A have
A A A AA A added over 100 NEW members.
A A A AA A A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of
Jack
A A A DeRyke as
A A A AA A Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor
because I
A A A was
A A A AA A finally able to get the BOD
A A A AA A to listen to reason and change printers, we have been
robbed by
A A A 10
A A A AA A years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White
printing than
A A A FULL
A A A AA A COLOR printing would cost.
A A A AA A It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can
confirm,
A A A but the
A A A AA A result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped
working.
A A A AA A Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after
2.5 years
A A A of
A A A AA A service while selling 166 orders., she said that my
vision of
A A A an
A A A AA A expanded store (revenue producing )was not
A A A AA A what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra
work as
A A A AA A required.AA I understand and it was a nice parting.
A A A AA A Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money,
Printing
A A A alone was
A A A AA A 17% more than all of our dues.
A A A AA A The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they
spent
A A A $20,205 on
A A A AA A booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the
club
A A A retained
A A A AA A $1,600,
A A A AA A I will not bore you with a detailed list of
improvements, but
A A A there
A A A AA A have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen
more new
A A A and
A A A AA A different in the last 7 months than in the past 20
years.
A A A AA A That was my goal and it was done while under constant
attack.A
A A A Most
A A A AA A recently, worrying about the name of the forming
"Southern
A A A Pride
A A A AA A Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
A A A AA A ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is
called a
A A A Pride,
A A A AA A usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers
are
A A A unlikely to
A A A AA A gather in groups).AA Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
A A A AA A here to represent the club on the national stage (
while we
A A A still can
A A A AA A have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things
that were
A A A truly
A A A AA A none of their business, all while recruiting no
members and
A A A AA A contributing nothing positive to the club.
A A A AA A WHY The website is down
A A A AA A over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I
was
A A A immune to
A A A AA A their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed
to be done
A A A to
A A A AA A create a better POCA Membership Experience,
A A A AA A value added if you will,
A A A AA A for each of you.
A A A AA A S
A A A AA A so they changed focus and begin
A A A AA A attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez,
all fine
A A A gentlemen
A A A AA A and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we
made.AA I
A A A certainly
A A A AA A could not have
A A A AA A done anything with their support.
A A A AA A Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares
specifically (
A A A the same
A A A AA A man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the
Fun Rally
A A A committee
A A A AA A to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
A A A AA A quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name
replacements
A A A in
A A A AA A March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed
to such
A A A a
A A A AA A degree, the following has occurred.
A A A AA A Yesterday they called the web hosting company and
expressed a
A A A desire to
A A A AA A change the direction of the club.AA Last night
against all the
A A A rules,
A A A AA A bylaws, etc.
A A A AA A they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and
essentially
A A A have
A A A AA A started acoup to take over the club.
A A A AA A The website host company as a matter of policy and to
protect
A A A AA A the content of the website learned of this,
A A A AA A thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
A A A AA A and disabled the website to keep them from destroying
it and
A A A changing
A A A AA A it
A A A AA A ,
A A A AA A erasing everything that I have built.
A A A AA A As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I
are
A A A beside
A A A AA A ourselves at this turn of events.
A A A AA A The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist
does when
A A A taking
A A A AA A over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so
stupid doesn't
A A A it) is
A A A AA A to disable the communications.
A A A AA A You are going to be sent a survey this morning,AA it
has biu
A A A one
A A A AA A question.
A A A AA A Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you
deserve,
A A A AA A to continue these improvements and finish dragging us
out of
A A A the 80's
A A A AA A and into the 21st century?
A A A AA A or
A A A AA A Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to
just give
A A A up and
A A A AA A let the weak have the club and be at the continued
direction of
A A A this
A A A AA A very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
A A A AA A the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20
years?
A A A AA A You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up
to
A A A bullies, so do
A A A AA A not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what
you want.
A A A AA A * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to
have his
A A A small 30
A A A AA A member Chapter
A A A AA A leave
A A A AA A POCA last month
A A A AA A and could not even manage to convince his own club to
follow
A A A him.
A A A AA A If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If
you wish to
A A A return
A A A AA A to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as
Bob reid
A A A AA A reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the
new cards,
A A A AA A New POCA store items,and other expenses)
A A A AA A I await the results of the survey, I apologize this
has
A A A happened and I
A A A AA A hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your
displeasure
A A A at the
A A A AA A actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
A A A AA A Thank you,
A A A AA A Michael Shortt
A A A AA A STILL President
A A A AA A POCA
A A A AA A --
A A A AA A Michael L. Shortt
A A A AA A Savannah, Georgia
A A A AA A [4][4][5]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A A AA A [5]912-232-9390
A A A AA A This email is protected by the Electronic
Communications
A A A Privacy
A A A AA A Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may
be
A A A legally
A A A AA A privileged.AA If you are not the intended recipient,
you are
A A A hereby
A A A AA A notified
A A A AA A that any retention, dissemination, distribution or
copying of
A A A this
A A A AA A communication is strictly prohibited.AA Please reply
to the
A A A sender that
A A A AA A you
A A A AA A have received this message in error, then delete
it.AA Thank
A A A you
A A A References
A A A AA A 1. mailto:[6][6]michaelsavga at gmail.com
A A A AA A 2. [7][7]http://poca.com/
A A A AA A 3. [8][8]http://poca.com/
A A A AA A 4. mailto:[9][9]michael at michaelshortt.com
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