[DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA

Robert Pink robpink2012 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 21 07:45:10 EDT 2016


Clearly I don't know what happened here but is some part of this over the
perception that "Southern Pride" is a racist term?

On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:

>    The sad thing is that we are not against most of what Michael is trying
>    to do. It is just his method of treating people that has caused the
>    uproar.
>    It would be great if there were some way to get him to calm down and
>    discuss things in a civil manner.
>
>    Forest
>      __________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>    To: detomaso at detomasolist.com <javascript:;>
>    Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:29 PM
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
>      Hmm, a palace coup perhaps?
>        __________________________________________________________________
>      From: [1][1]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com <javascript:;>
>      To: [2][2]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com <javascript:;>
>      Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time
>      Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun news
>      A
>      A
>      I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your email
>    list
>      to do so, whomever gets this please share.
>      A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch, Gil Mares
>      and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John Buckman away
>    from
>      Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I.
>      Thus,
>      The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East Coast
>    Rally,
>      I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did the two
>      Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012
>      Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and pay
>    directly
>      here.
>      Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement.
>      I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will still do
>    so.
>      Bill Lewis joined us before and had a blast.
>      Gil Mares and again Larry Finch have raised enough hell over Southern
>      Pride Panteras,
>      why they care is a mystery to me, but then again , why does Larry
>    Finch
>      do anything except complain/moan and contribute nothing?
>      Today's lamblast and I kid you not - was the appropriateness of the
>      name Southern Pride.
>      I guess they had some Confederate Battle Flag image in their twisted
>      little minds,
>      A
>      It meant a Group of Big Cats. ( education is important )
>      Now we all know that a group of Lions is called a Pride.
>      We also know that Pantera means Panther in Italian.
>      Many of you know that Panthers ( like Tigers and Leopards ) are
>      solitary creatures and do not get together in groups, thus there is
>    no
>      name for a group pf them.
>      for a group of Panteras.
>      Panthers only find another Pantera when in heat to screw them.
>      Funny thing happened in May, I went to the so called Fun Rally in Las
>      Vegas ( in the heat ) around a bunch of Panteras,
>      Same exact thing happened to me!A
>      So rather than continue to fight these people 24/7 ( and I'm not
>      kidding, it happened all night long
>      A ), I have moved all 23 of my soon to be official Southern Pride
>      Pantera members
>      to unaffiliated status and deleted any reference to the chapter
>    across
>      all of POCA.com
>      Now since there is no Chapter to do the work, the HHI Concours
>    display
>      with Tom Tjaarda isA
>      unlikely, so I have let Tom know that we (POCA) will not be bringing
>      him here A for the HHI Concours.
>      So to recap the days events
>      East Coast Rally is still going on as a private party. ( please join
>      me)
>      Southern Pride Chapter is kaput
>      Tom Tjaarda coming to HHI Concours is kaput
>      Me doing the August Newsletter is kaput ( it was something, happy to
>      share the cover art with you since I can not attach it )
>      Me doing all of the technical layout for Laurie Basile for Profiles
>    is
>      kaput
>      John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez have joined Larry Finch and
>      Gil Mares ( the same guy who quit the fun rally job 3 months before
>    the
>      event after
>      spending $1,200 of POCA Money visiting Las Vegas to approve The Plaza
>      venue as the best possible hotel with Bob Reid ).
>      This leaves Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I as the last of the
>    people
>      who wanted to make POCA a better club and returns the majority back
>    to
>      the
>      non progressive side of those who do nothing but know everything, and
>      are offended by words like "Pride" and specifically "Southern Pride"
>      I have no idea what the future holds except a return to the POCA that
>      was 100 members smaller and pretty much unchanged for 20 years.
>      I've always liked TX and the independence of your Chapter, esp Bill
>    and
>      Marilyn, Terry, Kirby and others ( don't hate me for not putting your
>      name)
>      Gosh knows there are so many other reasons.
>      You can thank the good folks in California , namely Larry Finch, Gil
>      Mares, Ed Mendez, John Buckman and Joe Stockett.
>      I just wanted you folks to know first, because there were about 6 of
>      you that wanted to come to Savannah, the party is still going to
>      happen.
>      I'm still Prez and we shall see what happens next.
>      Michael
>    References
>      1. mailto:[3]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com <javascript:;>
>      2. mailto:[4]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com <javascript:;>
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   Clearly I don't know what happened here but is some part of this over
   the perception that "Southern Pride" is a racist term?
   On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Forest Goodhart <[1]forestg at att.net> wrote:

     A  A The sad thing is that we are not against most of what Michael
     is trying
     A  A to do. It is just his method of treating people that has caused
     the
     A  A uproar.
     A  A It would be great if there were some way to get him to calm
     down and
     A  A discuss things in a civil manner.
     A  A Forest
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A From: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
     A  A To: [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:29 PM
     A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
     A  A  A Hmm, a palace coup perhaps?
     A  A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A  A From: [1][1][4]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com
     A  A  A To: [2][2][5]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com
     A  A  A Sent: 7/20/2016 8:51:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time
     A  A  A Subj: Re: [SCPOCA] East Coast rally news and more/less fun
     news
     A  A  A A
     A  A  A A
     A  A  A I can not start a new thread as I am not authorized on your
     email
     A  A list
     A  A  A to do so, whomever gets this please share.
     A  A  A A lot of developments today from the likes of Larry Finch,
     Gil Mares
     A  A  A and the defection of Joe Stockett, Ed Mendez and John
     Buckman away
     A  A from
     A  A  A Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I.
     A  A  A Thus,
     A  A  A The 2016 POCA East Coast Rally is now simply the 2016 East
     Coast
     A  A Rally,
     A  A  A I will be sponsoring it myself in the same manner that I did
     the two
     A  A  A Summer Summit Events in 2011 and 2012
     A  A  A Nothing will change except now you'll need to register and
     pay
     A  A directly
     A  A  A here.
     A  A  A Same plan, same everything, just no direct POCA Involvement.
     A  A  A I hope that those of you who were thinking of coming will
     still do
     A  A so.
     A  A  A Bill Lewis joined us before and had a blast.
     A  A  A Gil Mares and again Larry Finch have raised enough hell over
     Southern
     A  A  A Pride Panteras,
     A  A  A why they care is a mystery to me, but then again , why does
     Larry
     A  A Finch
     A  A  A do anything except complain/moan and contribute nothing?
     A  A  A Today's lamblast and I kid you not - was the appropriateness
     of the
     A  A  A name Southern Pride.
     A  A  A I guess they had some Confederate Battle Flag image in their
     twisted
     A  A  A little minds,
     A  A  A A
     A  A  A It meant a Group of Big Cats. ( education is important )
     A  A  A Now we all know that a group of Lions is called a Pride.
     A  A  A We also know that Pantera means Panther in Italian.
     A  A  A Many of you know that Panthers ( like Tigers and Leopards )
     are
     A  A  A solitary creatures and do not get together in groups, thus
     there is
     A  A no
     A  A  A name for a group pf them.
     A  A  A for a group of Panteras.
     A  A  A Panthers only find another Pantera when in heat to screw
     them.
     A  A  A Funny thing happened in May, I went to the so called Fun
     Rally in Las
     A  A  A Vegas ( in the heat ) around a bunch of Panteras,
     A  A  A Same exact thing happened to me!A
     A  A  A So rather than continue to fight these people 24/7 ( and I'm
     not
     A  A  A kidding, it happened all night long
     A  A  A A ), I have moved all 23 of my soon to be official Southern
     Pride
     A  A  A Pantera members
     A  A  A to unaffiliated status and deleted any reference to the
     chapter
     A  A across
     A  A  A all of POCA.com
     A  A  A Now since there is no Chapter to do the work, the HHI
     Concours
     A  A display
     A  A  A with Tom Tjaarda isA
     A  A  A unlikely, so I have let Tom know that we (POCA) will not be
     bringing
     A  A  A him here A for the HHI Concours.
     A  A  A So to recap the days events
     A  A  A East Coast Rally is still going on as a private party. (
     please join
     A  A  A me)
     A  A  A Southern Pride Chapter is kaput
     A  A  A Tom Tjaarda coming to HHI Concours is kaput
     A  A  A Me doing the August Newsletter is kaput ( it was something,
     happy to
     A  A  A share the cover art with you since I can not attach it )
     A  A  A Me doing all of the technical layout for Laurie Basile for
     Profiles
     A  A is
     A  A  A kaput
     A  A  A John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez have joined Larry
     Finch and
     A  A  A Gil Mares ( the same guy who quit the fun rally job 3 months
     before
     A  A the
     A  A  A event after
     A  A  A spending $1,200 of POCA Money visiting Las Vegas to approve
     The Plaza
     A  A  A venue as the best possible hotel with Bob Reid ).
     A  A  A This leaves Laurie Basile, Mike Burnett and I as the last of
     the
     A  A people
     A  A  A who wanted to make POCA a better club and returns the
     majority back
     A  A to
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A non progressive side of those who do nothing but know
     everything, and
     A  A  A are offended by words like "Pride" and specifically
     "Southern Pride"
     A  A  A I have no idea what the future holds except a return to the
     POCA that
     A  A  A was 100 members smaller and pretty much unchanged for 20
     years.
     A  A  A I've always liked TX and the independence of your Chapter,
     esp Bill
     A  A and
     A  A  A Marilyn, Terry, Kirby and others ( don't hate me for not
     putting your
     A  A  A name)
     A  A  A Gosh knows there are so many other reasons.
     A  A  A You can thank the good folks in California , namely Larry
     Finch, Gil
     A  A  A Mares, Ed Mendez, John Buckman and Joe Stockett.
     A  A  A I just wanted you folks to know first, because there were
     about 6 of
     A  A  A you that wanted to come to Savannah, the party is still
     going to
     A  A  A happen.
     A  A  A I'm still Prez and we shall see what happens next.
     A  A  A Michael
     A  A References
     A  A  A 1. mailto:[3][6]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com
     A  A  A 2. mailto:[4][7]SCPOCA at yahoogroups.com
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