[DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
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Sat Jul 16 18:11:30 EDT 2016
SCCA and other competition sanctioning bodies require a MANUAL (total) battery disconnect for certain classes of competition cars. As with electric heater-valve cut-offs in Panteras, an electric device probably is not a competition-legal device for sanctioned events. Reason for electric heater valve cut-offs being disallowed is, the Tech inspectors do not get into verifying that an electrical switch is installed correctly and works dependably, so they are not allowed thru Tech whether or not you have success with it. This likely reduces the market for such a device, I suspect..
FWIW- J Deryke
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: 'Larry - Ohio Time' <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2016 7:39 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
I agree, it is not something I would intentionally do. Given I have "at the
battery" knife switches, It is sort of intuitive to cut the car off, open
the hood and disconnect battery. However, many decades ago, I did install a
turn switch in the console of the TR6. I was initially surprised when I
give it a turn and the car continued to run (including all lights etc).
When Ron asked, I thought how are those electrical kill switches wired in
race cars? Do they kill the ignition or do you assume the engine died in
the wreck and just isolate battery? Thus there could be two sort of
different objectives with the battery switch. If you used a single contact
to kill the battery and alternator, the alternator diodes could drain a
battery in storage.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry - Ohio Time [mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:12 AM
To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; 'Pantera Mail List'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
Hi Joe,
The disconnect switch on the (+) or (-) cable does the same thing, it
isolates the battery from the car. I am a bit confused by you wanting to
disconnect the battery but yet still keep the car running. What is the
reason you want to do something like this?
With all the electronics in cars, even ours, this is not something you want
to do!
Larry - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 4:50 PM
To: 'Pantera Mail List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
I would also be interested in comments about the second part of Rob's
question.
For my disconnect switches, I have installed them on the battery ground with
the intent to isolated the battery from draining. However this would allow
the alternator to keep the engine running when disconnected. I have worried
that the alternator's voltage regulator could swing without the battery
capacitance.
I would THINK if the intent were a energy isolation to kill the car/engine,
the switch should be on the positive feed (with the alternator still
connected to the battery).
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Dumoulin
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:55 AM
To: Pantera Mail List
Subject: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
...Could it damage anything if the battery were accidentally isolated while
the car is running (i.e. MSD ignition or fuel injection computer)?
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SCCA and other competition sanctioning bodies require a MANUAL (total)
battery disconnect for certain classes of competition cars. As with
electric heater-valve cut-offs in Panteras, an electric device
probably is not a competition-legal device for sanctioned events.
Reason for electric heater valve cut-offs being disallowed is, the Tech
inspectors do not get into verifying that an electrical switch is
installed correctly and works dependably, so they are not allowed thru
Tech whether or not you have success with it. This likely reduces the
market for such a device, I suspect..
FWIW- J Deryke
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: 'Larry - Ohio Time' <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; 'Pantera Mail List'
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 16, 2016 7:39 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
I agree, it is not something I would intentionally do. Given I have "at
the
battery" knife switches, It is sort of intuitive to cut the car off,
open
the hood and disconnect battery. However, many decades ago, I did
install a
turn switch in the console of the TR6. I was initially surprised when I
give it a turn and the car continued to run (including all lights etc).
When Ron asked, I thought how are those electrical kill switches wired
in
race cars? Do they kill the ignition or do you assume the engine died
in
the wreck and just isolate battery? Thus there could be two sort of
different objectives with the battery switch. If you used a single
contact
to kill the battery and alternator, the alternator diodes could drain a
battery in storage.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry - Ohio Time [[1]mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 10:12 AM
To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; 'Pantera Mail List'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
Hi Joe,
The disconnect switch on the (+) or (-) cable does the same thing, it
isolates the battery from the car. I am a bit confused by you wanting
to
disconnect the battery but yet still keep the car running. What is the
reason you want to do something like this?
With all the electronics in cars, even ours, this is not something you
want
to do!
Larry - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 4:50 PM
To: 'Pantera Mail List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
I would also be interested in comments about the second part of Rob's
question.
For my disconnect switches, I have installed them on the battery ground
with
the intent to isolated the battery from draining. However this would
allow
the alternator to keep the engine running when disconnected. I have
worried
that the alternator's voltage regulator could swing without the battery
capacitance.
I would THINK if the intent were a energy isolation to kill the
car/engine,
the switch should be on the positive feed (with the alternator still
connected to the battery).
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Rob Dumoulin
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 8:55 AM
To: Pantera Mail List
Subject: [DeTomaso] Relay Activated Battery Cut-off switch
...Could it damage anything if the battery were accidentally isolated
while
the car is running (i.e. MSD ignition or fuel injection computer)?
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